Was Chipper Jones the BEST offensive 3B of all time

[StanMarsh51]

I never saw him play, but I just have him pictured in my head as a better offensive version of Adam Dunn. I'm probably way off base, but that's just what I think of when I think Harmon Killebrew.

Actually, it's the image I have of Eddie Mathews as well.

Mathews wasn't a bad average hitter by any means however...the league average in his day was pretty low, and Mathews had a career average about 5% better than the league average. If you compare it to the '90s/'00s, a batting average about 5% better than the league average would be about .285 to .290.

 

[Nosferatu]

Harmon was 6'0 195 and Eddie was 6'1 190... Not even close to Dunn 6'6 285 Neither Killebrew or Mathews were victims of the strikeout like Dunn. You should get that image out of your head.

 

[broncosmitty]

I'd have to say I found his thoughts on Newtown pretty offensive.

He'd be an asset as a plorster fer sure.

 

[Chewbaccer]

Mathews wasn't a bad average hitter by any means however...the league average in his day was pretty low, and Mathews had a career average about 5% better than the league average. If you compare it to the '90s/'00s, a batting average about 5% better than the league average would be about .285 to .290.

You really think Mathews would go into the 90's and 2000's and still hit 5% better than the league? As equipment and training methods improve, so do the athletes.

 

[Indrid Cold]

Mathews played in the same era in as Hank Aaron, so do you also think Aaron would've been nothing special in Chipper's era?

Yeah, Mathews was also a contemporary of Mays, Mantle, Frank Robinson...I guess those guys were all worm shit?

 

[Indrid Cold]

You really think Mathews would go into the 90's and 2000's and still hit 5% better than the league? As equipment and training methods improve, so do the athletes.

So Babe Ruth would hit about .050 now?

 

[Chewbaccer]

So Babe Ruth would hit about .050 now?

Maybe not that low, but if he played today and was the same physically as he was in his day, he wouldn't be close to being the best of all time. And Walter Johnson would be like batting practice.

 

[broncosmitty]

Maybe not that low, but if he played today and was the same physically as he was in his day, he wouldn't be close to being the best of all time. And Walter Johnson would be like batting practice.

Not sure if serious.

 

[Chewbaccer]

I think the true great athletes would be able to make the adjustment. Guys like Mantle, Mays, DiMaggio, etc.

But I really don't like stats that compare a player to the rest of the league when comparing players of different eras. When one era is full of better players and athletes than the other guy, it skews things a bit.

 

[StanMarsh51]

I think the true great athletes would be able to make the adjustment. Guys like Mantle, Mays, DiMaggio, etc.

But I really don't like stats that compare a player to the rest of the league when comparing players of different eras. When one era is full of better players and athletes than the other guy, it skews things a bit.

The players of yesterday wouldn't need to learn/adjust to these new things on the fly however if they were born 40+ years later....all the new training methods/advancements in sports would've been instilled/learned/adapted in in the average player from a young age, so that's where your point makes no sense. You're using the presumption that Ruth (or the average player from that time) would be the same physically, which isn't logical at all.

I mean, it's not as if Babe Ruth would have to suddenly adapt to new training equipment or techniques or face a completely new style of pitching at age 30....he'd be brought up and molded by all these changes if he were growing up today.

 

[williewilliejuan]

I'd have to say I found his thoughts on Newtown pretty offensive.

How do you feel about how he treats his yard help?

 

[HammerDown]

So it's decided? We're going with Ken Caminiti as the greatest 3B ever? I have to agree with youse guise!

 

[Chewbaccer]

How do you feel about how he treats his yard help?

What would you do if some jackass trimmed your azaleas crooked?

 

[Chewbaccer]

So it's decided? We're going with Ken Caminiti as the greatest 3B ever? I have to agree with youse guise!

Eh, he was a Brave at one point, I won't argue.

 

[DragonfromTO]

Maybe not that low, but if he played today and was the same physically as he was in his day, he wouldn't be close to being the best of all time. And Walter Johnson would be like batting practice.

If the changes happen that quickly, how do players have 20 year careers? Wouldn't the quality of the game excel past them during that kind of time frame?

 

[Tai Chi≈Surfing]

No love for Ron Santo, Brooks Robinson or Graig Nettles??

Before the modern era, it has to be Pie Traynor, amirite?

 

[Tai Chi≈Surfing]

On a side note.. does everyone here know Harmon Killebrew was the inspiration for the player silhouette on the MLB logo? Or is that also debatable??

 

[DragonfromTO]

No love for Ron Santo, Brooks Robinson or Graig Nettles??

Before the modern era, it has to be Pie Traynor, amirite?

Pie Traynor has no business in the conversation for best offensive 3rd baseman. His batting average looks great, until you realize that the league average for his career was .294 and he didn't offer much else at the plate. One pre-integration third baseman who comes to mind right away as better offensively than Traynor is Home Run Baker.

 

[Tai Chi≈Surfing]

Pie Traynor has no business in the conversation for best offensive 3rd baseman. His batting average looks great, until you realize that the league average for his career was .294 and he didn't offer much else at the plate. One pre-integration third baseman who comes to mind right away as better offensively than Traynor is Home Run Baker.

I really don't feel like splitting hairs on this....but,tell that to the many baseball writers & historians who darn near unanimously thinks he was.

 

[Mistaken4193]

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On a side note.. does everyone here know Harmon Killebrew was the inspiration for the player silhouette on the MLB logo? Or is that also debatable??

Should be changed to Hank Aaron IMO. Just like the NBAs should be changed to Jordan.