Was Chipper Jones the BEST offensive 3B of all time

[MilkSpiller22]

I would have to say yes!!!

 

[Mondo Jay]

There is a compelling case to be made.

 

[obxyankeefan]

No, maybe not even the best in Braves history.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

.401 OBP, only behind Dennys Lyons, Wade Boggs, edgar Martines, and John McGraw

468 HRs, only behind eddie Mathews and Mike Shmidt

.529 slugging, only behind Miguel Cabrera and Dick Allen

.930 OPS only behind edgar Martinez and Miguel Cabrera

Has played the 7th most amount of games

and 6th most Plate appearances

those are just basic statistics(no advanced)

 

[MilkSpiller22]

No, maybe not even the best in Braves history.

I like His BAT more than Eddie Mathews...

 

[Fountain City Blues]

Eddie Matthews and Mike Schmidt come to mind as guys who could potentially dispute this, pound for pound.

 

[Montalban]

I would have to say yes!!!

Do names like Eddie Matthews and Mike Schmidt ring a bell? How 'bout George Brett? Jones is not even close.

 

[StanMarsh51]

Do names like Eddie Matthews and Mike Schmidt ring a bell? How 'bout George Brett? Jones is not even close.

Jones not even close to Brett offensively?

Pretty ridiculous claim....

 

[Indrid Cold]

Eddie Matthews and Mike Schmidt come to mind as guys who could potentially dispute this, pound for pound.

I think both of them have Chipper beat by just a bit.
I feel like it's important to look at the stats in the context of the time in which they played...
Schmidt led in HRs 8 times, RBI 4 times, OBP 3 times, slugging 5 times.
Mathews only led in HRs twice and OBP once, but he was also royally screwed by his home parks...hit 238HRs at home and 274 on the road, for example. Most hitters are going to have a bit of an advantage at home, and Banks hit 290 at home and 222 on the road (the Wrigley boost) as an example of an extreme home park advantage.
Chipper led in BA once and OBP once, both in a kinda short 128 game season in '08. Jones also had a bit of a home park boost, 259 HRs there to 209 on the road.

I'd take Chipper over Boggs with the bat, though, despite all of Wade's batting titles...prefer a hitter with power and Boggs also got an extreme boost from Fenway for the first part of his career.
Tough for me to pick between Jones and Brett...George's best years were better, IMHO.

 

[Fountain City Blues]

Do names like Eddie Matthews and Mike Schmidt ring a bell? How 'bout George Brett? Jones is not even close.

Actually, Matthews and Jones are with 5 points of each other in career wRC+. Schmidt is just outside of that range. I'll take George Brett at the height of his powers against just about any 3B, however.

 

[Montalban]

Jones not even close to Brett offensively?

Pretty ridiculous claim....

Not even close.

 

[Montalban]

Actually, Matthews and Jones are with 5 points of each other in career wRC+. Schmidt is just outside of that range. I'll take George Brett at the height of his powers against just about any 3B, however.

He would be my choice as well.

 

[HammerDown]

Ken Caminiti

 

[StanMarsh51]

Not even close.

What exactly is that based on?

The numbers say otherwise...do you have certain info that's not reflected in the numbers that makes Brett much better offensively than Jones?

 

[Fountain City Blues]

Career wise, I'd probably rank them like this.

1. Schmidt
2a Jones
2b Matthews
4. Brett
5. Boggs

If we are talking primes, that's a very different discussion, however.

 

[HammerDown]

Cami was the freakin man!

 

[jdwills126]

George Brett, has been mentioned
Wade Boggs

Both deserve to be in the conversation.

 

[obxyankeefan]

BR War has it

1 Mike Schmidt 106.5
2 Eddie Mathews 96.4
3 Wade Boggs 91
4 George Brett 88.4
5 Chipper Jones 85


Chipper was great and will deserve his HOF votes when he gets in, but he is not the best 3b or Switch Hitter to have ever played the game.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

I think both of them have Chipper beat by just a bit.
I feel like it's important to look at the stats in the context of the time in which they played...
Schmidt led in HRs 8 times, RBI 4 times, OBP 3 times, slugging 5 times.
Mathews only led in HRs twice and OBP once, but he was also royally screwed by his home parks...hit 238HRs at home and 274 on the road, for example. Most hitters are going to have a bit of an advantage at home, and Banks hit 290 at home and 222 on the road (the Wrigley boost) as an example of an extreme home park advantage.
Chipper led in BA once and OBP once, both in a kinda short 128 game season in '08. Jones also had a bit of a home park boost, 259 HRs there to 209 on the road.

I'd take Chipper over Boggs with the bat, though, despite all of Wade's batting titles...prefer a hitter with power and Boggs also got an extreme boost from Fenway for the first part of his career.
Tough for me to pick between Jones and Brett...George's best years were better, IMHO.

I don't disagree about looking through the context of seasons... But you cant talk about how a player leads the league in something or not for that year... Maybe there was someone better that year, like Bonds was better than Chipper... and how is 259-209 a negative... that is almost 40-60, most players have a little boost at home...

Don't see any knock on Chippers offense... His problem was that he was a bad defensive player... But this thread is not about defense...

 

[StanMarsh51]

BR War has it

1 Mike Schmidt 106.5
2 Eddie Mathews 96.4
3 Wade Boggs 91
4 George Brett 88.4
5 Chipper Jones 85


Chipper was great and will deserve his HOF votes when he gets in, but he is not the best 3b or Switch Hitter to have ever played the game.

The thread is about 3rd basemen offensively, and Chipper was a pretty mediocre fielding 3B which hurt him in overall WAR.


Offensively, it's a lot closer:

Looking at oWAR:
Chipper - 87.4
Schmidt - 90.9
Brett - 84.1
Boggs - 80.6
Mathews - 93.8