THE PAC 12 THREAD v.5

[wazzu31]

Espn Top 25 players coming back in the PAC next season. Damm . Huskys have 8 listed.

1. Sam Darnold, QB, USC: After turning in one of the best performances in Rose Bowl history, Darnold will begin 2017 as the favorite to win the Heisman Trophy.

2. Azeem Victor, LB, Washington: An injury ended Victor’s season prematurely, but he should be fine come the fall and considered a potential All-American.

3. Jake Browning, QB, Washington: After finishing sixth in the Heisman voting, what does Browning have in store for his third year as the starter?

4. Luke Falk, QB, Washington State: Falk would have been an intriguing NFL prospect, but he elected to finish out his eligibility with the Cougars.

5. Royce Freeman, RB, Oregon: Injuries slowed his 2016 campaign, but when healthy Freeman is among the best running backs in the country.

6. Cody O’Connell, G, Washington State: He was a unanimous All-American in 2016 and a big reason the Cougars ran the ball so effectively.

7. Myles Gaskin, RB, Washington: Gaskin ranks N0. 12 in the country in rushing over the past two seasons.

8. Josh Rosen, QB, UCLA: Don’t let the Bruins’ offensive struggles fool you, Rosen remains an elite NFL prospect with All-America potential.

9. Trey Adams, OL, Washington: A first-team All-Pac-12 selection as a sophomore, Adams was also a second-team All-America selection by the Football Writers Association of America.

10. Vita Vea, DL, Washington: It was an important win for the Huskies when Vea, a second-team All-Pac-12 selection, decided to put his NFL dreams on hold and return for his redshirt junior season.

11. Ronald Jones II, RB, USC: In his first two years, Jones ran for 2,069 yards while splitting time with Justin Davis, and now is primed to break out as the clear No. 1.

12. Hercules Mata’afa, DL, Washington State: A second-team All-Pac-12 pick as a sophomore in 2016, Mata’afa finished the year with 13.5 tackles for loss and five sacks.

13. Phillip Lindsay, RB, Colorado: Lindsay’s 1,579 yards from scrimmage ranked No. 2 in the Pac-12 in 2016 and his return is a big reason why the Buffaloes should be improved offensively next year.

14. Dante Pettis, WR, Washington: With John Ross off to the NFL, Pettis’ production figures to improve from the 53 catches for 822 yards and 15 touchdowns he had last season.

15. Lowell Lotulelei, DL, Utah: A first-team All-Pac-12 pick in 2015, Lotulelei was slowed a bit by injury this past season but should be among the conference’s best defenders again in 2017.

16. Scott Quessenberry, C, UCLA: The Bruins didn’t get good line play, but coaches saw enough from Quessenberry to vote him first-team All-Pac-12.

17. Coleman Shelton, C, Washington: More proof that Washington, despite all it loses, will be a strong contender again next year. Shelton was a second-team All-Pac-12 pick.

18. Mitch Wishnowsky, P, Utah: The Ray Guy Award winner will look to bring the award back to Salt Lake City for a fourth straight season.

19. Quenton Meeks, CB, Stanford: Meeks might end up as the top cover corner in the conference next year.

20. Shay Fields, WR, Colorado: Fields’ 883 receiving yards last season are the most among returning receivers in the conference.

21. Cam Smith, LB, USC: After registering 161 tackles in his first two seasons, Smith likely will be a fixture on the preseason All-Pac-12 teams.

22. Koron Crump, DL, Arizona State: Crump’s nine sacks are the most among returning players next season.

23. Taylor Rapp, S, Washington: The Pac-12 Defensive Freshman of the Year in 2016 will be even more important without Budda Baker in the secondary.

24. Troy Dye, LB, Oregon: As a freshman, Dye ranked second in the Pac-12 in tackles per game (8.3) and seventh in sacks.

25. Iman Marshall, CB, USC: He won’t impact the game in as many ways as Adoree’ Jackson, but he might end up as a better overall defender.

Hercules = best defensive Pac 12 player next year. Won't win it because he is the definition of a tweener..too small for defensive line but too big for an outside linebacker

 

[TheRobotDevil]

Reports saying UCLA QB coach Marques Tuiasosopo will become the QB coach at Cal. Wilcox and him worked together in the past. Baldwin and him should do nice work together on the offense and Tui is known as a solid recruiter.

And in other news, UCLA loses another assistant.....

Im not sure how strict Peterson is within no visits or no scholarship rule. But Marlon Tuipoluto definitely had an official visit with SC. Im not seeing him listed on the huskies scout commits anymore. But I'm also hearing Oregon rumors.And theres still a long way to go until signing day. Its still a long shot imo

2017 Washington Football Recruiting Commits

 

[socaljim242]

Hardest shoes to fill on each team. I agree with their pick for USC. Chad was much more consistent at left tackle than Zack was.

Biggest Shoes to Fill

Arizona - Paul Magloire Jr. LB

The veteran was one of the bright spots on an Arizona defense that had a rough 2016. He led the team in tackles with 81 and was big in run support and making plays in the backfield with 5.5 tackles for-loss and 2.5 sacks.

Who will replace him? Brandon Rutt Jr. LB - The Wildcats have to completely reload at starting linebacker so a number of players will be replacing Magloire, really, but Rutt might fall into his exact position. He saw substantial action in 2016 and is closer to a traditional linebacker than the LB/S Magloire.

Arizona State - Laiu Moeakiola LB

The Sun Devil defense really struggled in 2016 so losing a veteran linebacker who has been around for a long time like Moeakiola won’t be easy. He had more than 50 tackles and an interception for a touchdown in 2016 and had nearly 200 tackles in his career while serving as a leader in his upper class years.

Who will replace him? Alani Latu Sr. LB - There is still another Latu on the Sun Devils and he is a massive 6’2 255 senior linebacker who could slide next to the incredible senior talents of D.J. Calhoun, Koron Crump and Christian Sam and fill the void left by Moeakiola.


Cal - Davis Webb QB

The Bears patched their Jared Goff-sized hole with a grad transfer from Texas and he did a very good job, but the problem is he is already gone and now Justin Wilcox and company will have to find someone to step in as a fresh starter for the second-straight season.

Who will replace him? Ross Bowers So. QB - Tough call here as one of the reasons the Bears plucked Webb away from Colorado was because they couldn’t find a starter in their group which included Bowers, but Bowers was listed as the back-up, so it seems he will start at the top of the competition this spring.

Colorado - Chidobe Awuzie CB

The Buffs lose more talent and experience than anyone in the conference so there are a lot of options, but their purely “best” player who will be the hardest to fill in for is Awuzie. He shut down one side of the field and was a huge part of why the Buffs improved so much in 2016. His loss is compounded by the Buffs losing their other starting cornerback in Ahkello Witherspoon.


Who will replace him? Isaiah Oliver Jr. CB - The good news is the Buffs have a budding star to replace Awuzie. Oliver saw tons of time in 2016, had 25 tackles and 13 pass break ups with an interception. At 6’1190, he also has the size to fill in for Awuzie and Witherspoon.

Oregon - Pharoah Brown TE

The Ducks got Brown after missing all of 2015 with a horrific leg injury and he went right back to being the best tight end in the conference. He led the conference in receiving by a tight end and, to make replacing him even harder, the Ducks also lose their number two and number three tight ends in Johnny Mundt and Evan Baylis.

Who will replace him? Jacob Breeland So. TE - Breeland is another long, athletic pass catcher for the Ducks who also has the speed to stretch the field. He came on late in the season with three catches in The Civil War.

Oregon State - Sean Harlow T

The Beavers really improved their run game and pass protection in 2016 and a big part of that was because of the improvement of senior tackle Harlow, who ended up being an all-conference selection.

Who will replace him? Blake Brandel So. T - The 6’7 295 Brandel has the size of a franchise left tackle and I think is ready to slide over from right tackle and maybe even become a better player than Harlow was because of his physical tools.

Stanford - Christian McCaffrey RB

McCaffrey will be one of the hardest players to replace in recent Pac-12 history because of how great he was and his versatility as a player who could be an elite running back, receiver and returner. He simply might be impossible to truly replace.

Who will replace him? Bryce Love Jr. RB - Love isn’t quite as electric as McCaffrey (but who is?), but filled in for him very nicely in the Sun Bowl with 115 yards rushing and a 49-yard touchdown catch. He also made the most of his carries throughout the season as he averaged seven yards per-carry on the year.

UCLA - Jayon Brown LB

Led the Pac-12 in 2016 with a whopping 125 tackles. His consistency and tackling ability will be incredibly hard to replace.

Who will replace him? Mique Juarez Fr. LB - The former five-star recruit already looks like an NFL linebacker at 6’2 250, but he missed all of 2016 due to personal reasons. It sounds like he plans to rejoin the team in 2017 though and, if he does, he could actually soon be a physical upgrade at the position.

USC - Chad Wheeler T

Tough call between senior tackles here as right tackle Zach Banner will be sorely missed, but Wheeler is harder to replace as I think he was a slightly better player and plays left tackle.

Who will replace him? Chuma Edoga Jr. T - Edoga has all of the talent in the world, but had a difficult 2016 as he had some personal fouls, appeared to be disciplined internally a couple of times and was rumored to be transferring. It sounds like he could be sticking around in 2017 though, and he could be their next talented left tackle if he does.

Utah - Joe Williams RB

Williams came back to the Utes after a brief in-season hiatus and punished Pac-12 defenses for an incredible 1,110 yards and nine touchdowns in just six conference games. He had a rare combination of size and speed that simply will be very hard to replicated.

Who will replace him? Armand Shyne Jr. RB - Shyne looked like Joe William as a 215-pound back with speed who was tearing up the Pac-12 before he went down with a leg injury. If he can come back healthy, he could be Utah’s next punishing running back with big play potential.

Washington - Sidney Jones CB

The Huskies lose a lot of stars and I think receiver John Ross might be the hardest to replace, but I will go with Jones instead, because the Huskies have another star receiver to fill the void left by Ross in Dante Pettis coming back, but lose their other starting cornerback in Kevin King.

Who will replace him? Jordan Miller Jr. CB - Lanky cornerbacks seem to grow on trees at Washington now as the 6’1 175 Miller looks to be the next top corner for the Huskies. He played extensively in 2016 and has the range and length to be a great cover corner.

Washington State - Gabe Marks WR

Marks has been Luke Falk’s rock for the past two years and the Cougars are really going to miss his reliability, consistency and experience in their system. He is the kind of veteran star who you just don’t see that often in college football these days.

Who will replace him? Tavares Martin Jr. Jr. WR - Martin broke out as an excellent number two receiver for the Cougars in 2016 as he put up huge numbers. He’s a rangy player who is good in the red zone who should slide into Marks’ role as the top receiver in Pullman



Mo

 

[WizardHawk]

4 Pac12 QB's on the bovada futures odds for heisman winner next year.

 

[socaljim242]

4 Pac12 QB's on the bovada futures odds for heisman winner next year.

Typical year for the PAC .Lots of quality QBs with 4 on that list. SEC with two and Hurts is nowhere near the QB most of these are . He's a great athlete but throwing he's still way behind most of these QBs. Also surprised Falk is that low but it might have more to do with the teams expectations than how good they think he is.

 

[TheRobotDevil]

Typical year for the PAC .Lots of quality QBs with 4 on that list. SEC with two and Hurts is nowhere near the QB most of these are . He's a great athlete but throwing he's still way behind most of these QBs. Also surprised Falk is that low but it might have more to do with the teams expectations than how good they think he is.

Barrett is over rated imo. He didnt impress me all year just not seeing improvement next year

 

[socaljim242]

Barrett is over rated imo. He didnt impress me all year just not seeing improvement next year

He's a typical Ohio State QB. An athlete playing QB. You dont see him and Hurts running timing plays with throws needing to be in a window. They rely on their receivers being open not throwing them open.
Right now Browning has the best precision throws. Darnold has a big arm and is getting better with precision. The Penn State QB was very mobile but he just threw it up for grabs a lot.

 

[WizardHawk]

Typical year for the PAC .Lots of quality QBs with 4 on that list. SEC with two and Hurts is nowhere near the QB most of these are . He's a great athlete but throwing he's still way behind most of these QBs. Also surprised Falk is that low but it might have more to do with the teams expectations than how good they think he is.

And Falk lost a few of his weapons. I think there are questions about how much more productive he can be without them. Marks was no small loss. They lost Cracraft as well didn't they? But yeah, he can throw for record numbers and still not get hype because of where he's playing and how many games they might still lose even with his numbers because of their defense.

Rosen was a bit higher than I might have thought as well honestly given his problems last year and UCLA's overall dismal year comparatively.

Who knows, the winner might not be on that list. There are always guys coming in moving up that list fast, but for sure those guys have a head start in the PR side of that race. Those guys will have more eyes on their numbers and performances.

 

[socaljim242]

And Falk lost a few of his weapons. I think there are questions about how much more productive he can be without them. Marks was no small loss. They lost Cracraft as well didn't they? But yeah, he can throw for record numbers and still not get hype because of where he's playing and how many games they might still lose even with his numbers because of their defense.

Rosen was a bit higher than I might have thought as well honestly given his problems last year and UCLA's overall dismal year comparatively.

Who knows, the winner might not be on that list. There are always guys coming in moving up that list fast, but for sure those guys have a head start in the PR side of that race. Those guys will have more eyes on their numbers and performances.

As far as Rosen goes. He was hurt last year. The kids a stud physically. Mentally he's a bit of a prima donna. I don't know their personnel but I'm sure he's got some capable receivers . I think Mora is going to go full Kiffen and try an get Rosen big numbers even if it hurts the team. I think he knows he can't win the PAC and his only shot to be relevant is for people to be talking about Rosen.

 

[trojanfight]

 

[socaljim242]

Thats huge. Many have said he's a top 3 DT in the country. I have a feeling these last commits are all going to be big gets.

 

[RegentDenali]

 

[TROJAN-MAN]

Oh my!!!!!

 

[socaljim242]

I'd rather get then to flip from Oregon or UCLA.

 

[OregonDucks]

I want a cool ribbon under my name. How does one get that?

 

[TheRobotDevil]

Thats huge. Many have said he's a top 3 DT in the country. I have a feeling these last commits are all going to be big gets.

Ive been watching this closely.They're also working on Tufele and Levi Jones. As well as some other big time names

 

[TheRobotDevil]

I want a cool ribbon under my name. How does one get that?

Go to the water cooler supporting members thread top of the screen OD

 

[trojanfan12]

Nice.

 

[OregonDucks]

I will donate $300 a year if it allows me to buy the background space of the CFB board and turn it to Oregon Duck wallpaper.

 

[trojanfan12]

I want a cool ribbon under my name. How does one get that?

Ribbons are for winners.