The Browns should take Chubb and Barkley

[rmilia1]

You throw likely in there as a out, in case your wrong. Which I believe you will be, at least one franchise QB will come out of this draft. Also think the Browns can find a workhorse RB in the draft without wasting a first round pick doing it.

Even if you're correct about there being a franchise QB in this draft tgat means Cleveland has a 1 out of 6 chance of picking tgat guy. They've got about a 40% shot of drafting a guy who may one day be as good as the guy they've already hot and the rest is a loser. Or you can draft a guy every single draft expert thinks is the best prospect in over a decade . Barkley is Lev Bell on steroids except he's not a douche primadonna.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Even if you're correct about there being a franchise QB in this draft tgat means Cleveland has a 1 out of 6 chance of picking tgat guy. They've got about a 40% shot of drafting a guy who may one day be as good as the guy they've already hot and the rest is a loser. Or you can draft a guy every single draft expert thinks is the best prospect in over a decade . Barkley is Lev Bell on steroids except he's not a douche primadonna.

Well opinions vary, I don’t feel he’s all that, combine stats or not, talking about Barkley of course.

 

[GNG]

Drafting an RB is like drafting a DH over a CF’er

RB's are overrated in today's NFL.

 

[rmilia1]

Well opinions vary, I don’t feel he’s all that, combine stats or not, talking about Barkley of course.

Well the thing is opinions don't really vary . Everyone in the know pretty much thinks he's the best prospect since AP and certainly the best prospect in the draft

 

[Nosferatu]

It's not too often a team has the opportunity to get the 2 biggest difference makers in the same draft. The Browns have a great great shot to do just that. Tyrod Taylor is at worst a bridge , at best a serviceable solid QB for the next 4-5 years. You've got just as good a shot at hitting on a QB late first or early second as you do top 10. Why risk a question mark at 1 or 4 if you don't need to?? Take Barkley 1 so the Giants don't pick him, take Chubb 4. You've got the best RB corp in football, you've got book end legit pass rushers , you've got a solid QB, you've got solid wideouts, you've got a decent OL. You're a playoff team

I absolutely agree!

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Well the thing is opinions don't really vary . Everyone in the know pretty much thinks he's the best prospect since AP and certainly the best prospect in the draft

My opinion varies for one so there.

 

[SteelersPride]

My opinion varies for one so there.

make that two

 

[Clayton]

I think it's fair to say that the old GM would've drafted Barkley #1

 

[rmilia1]

As a Falcons fan I have a unique perspective on this topic. My team took a QB in the top 5 and they nailed it. Ryan is a franchise QB by any definition. He's a MVP, has been to the playoffs 6 times, been the 1 seed in the NFL twice, been to 2 NFL title games and a SB. However what he hasn't done is win a SB. So even if you nail the top 5 pick you aren't guaranteed anything and in his 6 playoff losses Ryan has lost to guys picked 1st, 24th, 36th, 88th, 199th and a guy who was undrafted bagging groceries before playing in the Arena league ( the last 2 guys are Hall of Gamers). I'm not saying you can't get a great guy at 1 or 4. I'm just saying at QB you've got just as good if a shot at getting a great guy at 3q or 34. You only stretch for QB if yours is awful, old or both . Taylor is neither

 

[YankeeRebel]

so stop trying? That doesn't even make any sense. How many times have they had the #1 pick and taken a QB this millennium?

You're not paying attention in class young man.

They can still get a quality QB in round two. Shore up the defense, they have a proven vet not great but he has had some success, take a QB like Rudolph, Luletta, Falk develop him then bring him in. A great D will give you more offensive opportunities. Now they are the Browns, they will likely take a QB and likely the wrong one.

 

[Stomp]

You're not paying attention in class young man.

They can still get a quality QB in round two. Shore up the defense, they have a proven vet not great but he has had some success, take a QB like Rudolph, Luletta, Falk develop him then bring him in. A great D will give you more offensive opportunities. Now they are the Browns, they will likely take a QB and likely the wrong one.

Thats pretty much the strat the Browns have been using for the last 20 years get a serviceable free agent QB and draft the "safe" picks. Where has it got them? The only time they've used there first pick on a QB in franchise history was Tim Couch and they've been pussyfooting ever since.

Since 2004(1st year without Tim Couch the last QB they used their first pick on) 1st round QBs they've passed on with their first pick to trade back or take a "safer position"
Big Ben
Aaron Rodgers
Jason Campbell
Mark Sanchez
Josh Freeman
Tim Tebow
Jake Locker
Blaine Gabbert
Christian Ponder
Ryan Tannehill
EJ Manuel
Teddy Bridgewater
Carson Wentz
Mitch Trubisky
Patrick Mahomes
Deshaun Watson

Instead they got these safer picks
Kellen Winslow II
Braylon Edwards
Alex Mack
Joe Haden
Phil Taylor
Trent Richardson
Barkevious Mingo
Justin Gilbert
Corey Coleman
Myles Garrett

 

[jarntt]

You're not paying attention in class young man.

They can still get a quality QB in round two. Shore up the defense, they have a proven vet not great but he has had some success, take a QB like Rudolph, Luletta, Falk develop him then bring him in. A great D will give you more offensive opportunities. Now they are the Browns, they will likely take a QB and likely the wrong one.

Taylor is not a good NFL QB.
They aren't trying to win this year, but they should be taking the best QB that sets them up for 10 years. Usually that is easier to find at pick #1 than in the 2nd round.

Or maybe you aren't
If the Browns pass at QB at #1 it means they just didn't think any of these guys are all that good. QBs aren't plug and play. You see a stud and you take them and they will take a QB at #1 unless they don't like any of them.

 

[rmilia1]

Thats pretty much the strat the Browns have been using for the last 20 years get a serviceable free agent QB and draft the "safe" picks. Where has it got them? The only time they've used there first pick on a QB in franchise history was Tim Couch and they've been pussyfooting ever since.

Since 2004(1st year without Tim Couch the last QB they used their first pick on) 1st round QBs they've passed on with their first pick to trade back or take a "safer position"
Big Ben
Aaron Rodgers
Jason Campbell
Mark Sanchez
Josh Freeman
Tim Tebow
Jake Locker
Blaine Gabbert
Christian Ponder
Ryan Tannehill
EJ Manuel
Teddy Bridgewater
Carson Wentz
Mitch Trubisky
Patrick Mahomes
Deshaun Watson

Instead they got these safer picks
Kellen Winslow II
Braylon Edwards
Alex Mack
Joe Haden
Phil Taylor
Trent Richardson
Barkevious Mingo
Justin Gilbert
Corey Coleman
Myles Garrett

Your first list kind of makes my point. There's only 3 quarterbacks on that list who are definitively better than what the Browns have now. Big Ben, Rodgers and Wentz. Jury is still out on Watson, Trubisky abd Mahomes. So basically ( historically ) youve got a 3/16 shot of drafting a guy who will be better than what you've got now and a 1/2 shot of him being a huge bust.

 

[DefCONNOne]

Well the thing is opinions don't really vary . Everyone in the know pretty much thinks he's the best prospect since AP and certainly the best prospect in the draft

Ahh good ole groupthink. Everyone in the know also say Barkley is not going top-5, so what does your precious group think of that?

 

[DefCONNOne]

make that two

make that three

 

[DefCONNOne]

You're not paying attention in class young man.

They can still get a quality QB in round two. Shore up the defense, they have a proven vet not great but he has had some success, take a QB like Rudolph, Luletta, Falk develop him then bring him in. A great D will give you more offensive opportunities. Now they are the Browns, they will likely take a QB and likely the wrong one.

Oh the DeShone Kizer precedent. Tell me, oh wise sage, how did that work out last year?

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Your first list kind of makes my point. There's only 3 quarterbacks on that list who are definitively better than what the Browns have now. Big Ben, Rodgers and Wentz. Jury is still out on Watson, Trubisky abd Mahomes. So basically ( historically ) youve got a 3/16 shot of drafting a guy who will be better than what you've got now and a 1/2 shot of him being a huge bust.

Those QBs are a example of QBs that don't get drafted at 1.1 If you go back and list QBs drafted at 1.1 it's a solid list. Last really bust was the Raiders drafting Russell.

 

[Fountain City Blues]

Those QBs are a example of QBs that don't get drafted at 1.1 If you go back and list QBs drafted at 1.1 it's a solid list. Last really bust was the Raiders drafting Russell.

Most of the good QB gets drafted top 5, fewer 10, even fewer in the first, after that the probabilistic level of success after the first is quite low unless the league straight up misses on a guy.

 

[rmilia1]

Ahh good ole groupthink. Everyone in the know also say Barkley is not going top-5, so what does your precious group think of that?

They hope he drops to 26

 

[rmilia1]

Those QBs are a example of QBs that don't get drafted at 1.1 If you go back and list QBs drafted at 1.1 it's a solid list. Last really bust was the Raiders drafting Russell.

You still have to have a guy worthy of the first overall selection . The list of number 1 QBS is ok. It's littered with statistical studs like Stafford or Palmer. Physical freaks like Vick or Cam and guys who are solid when healthy like Luck or Bradford but unless your last name is Manning you haven't been drafted 1 and won a Super Bowl since Troy Aikman .