Kirk Herbstreit: These 8 Teams Will Contend For The Playoffs

[SJ76]

No Big 12 team again?


Ohhhhhhh there's gonna be hell to pay on this one Herbie

 

[outofyourmind]

Alabama will be eliminated in week 1.
Clemson will lose a couple with a new QB.
Ohio State gets knocked out in week 2.
USC and Washington/ 1 will will be gone.
LSU still has an interim Coach and no QB/out/gone.

So Herb got 3/8 maybe.

 

[4down20]

Alabama will be eliminated in week 1.
Clemson will lose a couple with a new QB.
Ohio State gets knocked out in week 2.
USC and Washington/ 1 will will be gone.
LSU still has an interim Coach and no QB/out/gone.

So Herb got 3/8 maybe.

Even if Alabama loses in week 1, it wouldn't affect making the playoffs.

 

[socaljim242]

That's kind of the point of the argument here. When you have a guy who is playing that much(and he's played 3 years at different positions) it's pretty silly to not call him a "returning starter" when talking about what your team returns as it suggests that by not having a "returning starter" in him it means it's just some guy without game experience.

Alabama has many players like this.

If you have players who played 99 plays on defense they are your starters. I watched your game against Clemson a few times on youtube and other than Bo Scarborough getting hurt and therefore having to play a cpl RBs that you probably wouldnt have your offense was all the same players. Clemson ran some tempo and your defense was pretty much the same players. Other than spelling a lineman here and there and maybe a nickle when its 3rd and 15 Bama had the same players on defense the whole game. You have starters on both offense and defense, the guys who play 90% of their units games. This isn't hockey.

 

[outofyourmind]

Even if Alabama loses in week 1, it wouldn't affect making the playoffs.

No
But losing to LSU and Auburn too ought to do it

 

[4down20]

No
But losing to LSU and Auburn too ought to do it

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

What the hell does recognizing more people contribute than the 11 on the field and should be recognized have anything to do with playing football? Hell, at the levels I played football as a kid we played both sides of the ball, and sure as hell didn't even have a depth chart.

Why the fuck would it even be relevant to start with?

If it makes you feel any better, #10 below was my high school football coach and probably the only Alabama player I hate. Interestingly enough, he was also the high school coach when I played football in 2nd grade at an entirely different school.

So I guess since I played football(I'll use that loosely because I sucked ass), you must be wrong

Out of curiousity -- if Alabama had no one leave for the draft or graduate -- would you say they have 22 returning starters or is it 30+ returning starters?

 

[tnapucco]

The MEHest.

 

[4down20]

Out of curiousity -- if Alabama had no one leave for the draft or graduate -- would you say they have 22 returning starters or is it 30+ returning starters?

More than 22, the number changes every year. In 2015 we had I'd say 11 starters in our front 7. But this past year it was closer to 8 off the top of my head. And then in the defensive backs you have a few more.

And then with RB's, there is a minimum of 2 really.

When people talk about returning starters, they are talking about game experience. It's ridiculous to take a guy like Tony Brown who already has 3 years of playing various positions, plays for 99 plays in a game against Clemson and then be like "Well he's not a returning starter" all because he doesn't fit into the "classical" positional depth chart.

And to talk about what a team is returning and to not mention such a player just makes the entire thing misleading.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

More than 22, the number changes every year. In 2015 we had I'd say 11 starters in our front 7. But this past year it was closer to 8 off the top of my head. And then in the defensive backs you have a few more.

And then with RB's, there is a minimum of 2 really.

When people talk about returning starters, they are talking about game experience. It's ridiculous to take a guy like Tony Brown who already has 3 years of playing various positions, plays for 99 plays in a game against Clemson and then be like "Well he's not a returning starter" all because he doesn't fit into the "classical" positional depth chart.

And to talk about what a team is returning and to not mention such a player just makes the entire thing misleading.

If Tony Brown moves from the slot to the outside because Marlon Humphrey is gone. How much experience does he have? My guess is next to none. Why is that? Because he is not a starter -- he is a situational (role) player. HUGE difference in covering the slot and moving outside and covering the top guys game in and game out.

It is the same as the situational guys coming in to rush the passer. All they do is pin their ears back and go after the QB. They don't worry about setting the edge or defending the run. They are situational players. Once you are a starter, your responsibilities change. You are not a one trick pony anymore.

But you know this because you pulled some pics off the Internet and said you played. I will just leave it as Alabama is the one team in all of CFB who can return 30+ starters and don't have situational or rotational players.

 

[jon2tanman]

I think Clemson might be a bit too high.

Ohio st.
Bama
USC/UW
Florida st.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

2. I don't think Michigan realistically has a shot at a national title this year. If this were a discussion about the B10 title, I'd have a different opinion.

So, you don't think the B1G champ would have a shot at the playoffs?

That what the list is about. Which teams could make the playoffs.

Also, you're a fag.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

Alabama starts 10-15 freshman or sophomore every year.

Yeah, but Alabama's coach doesn't buttfuck recruits during sleepovers.

 

[4down20]

If Tony Brown moves from the slot to the outside because Marlon Humphrey is gone. How much experience does he have? My guess is next to none. Why is that? Because he is not a starter -- he is a situational (role) player. HUGE difference in covering the slot and moving outside and covering the top guys game in and game out.

It is the same as the situational guys coming in to rush the passer. All they do is pin their ears back and go after the QB. They don't worry about setting the edge or defending the run. They are situational players. Once you are a starter, your responsibilities change. You are not a one trick pony anymore.

But you know this because you pulled some pics off the Internet and said you played. I will just leave it as Alabama is the one team in all of CFB who can return 30+ starters and don't have situational or rotational players.

Your guess is shit, just like most things you say.

Tony Brown and Marlon Humphrey came in the same class together. Tony Brown played CB a bit his true freshman year, while Marlon redshirted.

But that doesn't matter because it's unlikely he will play CB this year, and will instead keep playing the same role if he doesn't get beat out.

 

[nddulac]

Out of curiousity -- if Alabama had no one leave for the draft or graduate -- would you say they have 22 returning starters or is it 30+ returning starters?

Consider the following scenario: You have a star player who starts are CB for three weeks and then gets hurt. Your backup starts weeks four-twelve. Both players return the next year. Boom - you have two returning starters at one position.

Imagine how many players it actually takes to field a starting team twelve times during the season. I would think it would be unusual for a team to have fewer than 30 starters over the course of an entire season.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Your guess is shit, just like most things you say.

Tony Brown and Marlon Humphrey came in the same class together. Tony Brown played CB a bit his true freshman year, while Marlon redshirted.

But that doesn't matter because it's unlikely he will play CB this year, and will instead keep playing the same role if he doesn't get beat out.

Listen to what you literally just said. Tony Brown will continue to play THE SAME ROLE if he doesn't get beat out. That is literally the definition of a SITUATIONAL PLAYER. He plays a role and only when needed. The starting CB's are the two guys outside, the starting CB's are on the field if they are 2, 3 or 4 wide. It isn't terribly difficult to understand if you actually played.

The 'star' position is in a sub package of their base defense. EVERYONE has sub packages. EVERYONE has the 3rd and 4th CB if it calls for it. Same with EVERYONE having goaline packages, passing rushing specialists, etc.

Those are called situational players. They play specified roles and DO NOT have the same responsibilities as the starters. They are only used when needed. Do they have game experience? Yes. Do they have same type of experience as the starters? No, because they are only used................for certain situations (roles).

 

[4down20]

Listen to what you literally just said. Tony Brown will continue to play THE SAME ROLE if he doesn't get beat out. That is literally the definition of a SITUATIONAL PLAYER. He plays a role and only when needed. The starting CB's are the two guys outside, the starting CB's are on the field if they are 2, 3 or 4 wide. It isn't terribly difficult to understand if you actually played.

The 'star' position is in a sub package of their base defense. EVERYONE has sub packages. EVERYONE has the 3rd and 4th CB if it calls for it. Same with EVERYONE having goaline packages, passing rushing specialists, etc.

Those are called situational players. They play specified roles and DO NOT have the same responsibilities as the starters. They are only used when needed. Do they have game experience? Yes. Do they have same type of experience as the starters? No, because they are only used................for certain situations (roles).

So, the star position is situational, but the position it replaces isn't.

And since I know you are stupid, I'm not saying it replaces the CB position, so figure out some other random shit to go off about.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Consider the following scenario: You have a star player who starts are CB for three weeks and then gets hurt. Your backup starts weeks four-twelve. Both players return the next year. Boom - you have two returning starters at one position.

Imagine how many players it actually takes to field a starting team twelve times during the season. I would think it would be unusual for a team to have fewer than 30 starters over the course of an entire season.

Players fill in all the time -- Rashan Gary filled in for two games when Taco Charlton went down last year. When Charlton returned, Gary went back to a backup. Hence the reason he was not a returning starter. John O'Korn started 1 game at QB when Speight went down. Went back to a backup when Speight returned. It doesn't mean UM is returning two starting QB's.

It isn't rocket science. You guys are making this way more difficult than it has to be

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

So, the star position is situational, but the position it replaces isn't.

And since I know you are stupid, I'm not saying it replaces the CB position, so figure out some other random shit to go off about.

What are you talking about replacing the CB position?

 

[nddulac]

It isn't rocket science. You guys are making this way more difficult than it has to be

While I agree that it isn't rocket science, it isn't necessarily as simple as you might think. Here is what Michigan reported in their Bowl Media Guide:

RETURNING STARTERS (started at least 6 games)
Player Pos. Ht. Wt. Year
Ben Braden LG 6-6 331 5th Sr.
Jake Butt TE 6-6 250 Sr.
Jehu Chesson WR 6-3 200 5th Sr.
Mason Cole LT 6-5 305 Jr.
Amara Darboh WR 6-2 215 5th Sr.
Kyle Kalis RG 6-5 292 5th Sr.
Erik Magnuson RT 6-6 305 5th Sr.
De’Veon Smith RB 5-11 228 Sr.

Notice the criterion: started at least 6 games

With this criterion, Michigan could have two starters at one position (each starting six games) or no starters (three players start fewer than six games) as well as a single listed starter. Other schools will employ different criteria in determine what constitutes a "starter". Unless I am mistaken, there is no universally accepted definition, other than it means a player started a game at some point.