Kirk Herbstreit: These 8 Teams Will Contend For The Playoffs

[TrustMeIamRight]

What is the point of releasing a depth chart in college football?

Doesn't seem like most coaches are giving a shit about labels like "Starters". It's a bunch of guys who contribute, and they put "OR" for who they name as "starters".



Sounds familiar.



OL and QB is about the only places where you'll see real full time players, along with better WR's. RB's occasionally, but the rest is just a big ass rotation.

"Depth charts" and "Starters" are shit the media uses for headlines and to have things to write about, but it's not an accurate account of what goes on.

I don't know if you are being serious or not? I have a feeling you have never played football growing up.

If you are wondering who the 'starters' are for Alabama. Look at the snap count against Clemson. While you are reading the article -- notice how they talk about the guys (in your eyes, the starters) who come off the bench to 'spell' teammates (I.e. Give them a breather)

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.al.com/v1/articles/19972877/a_look_at_the_shocking_snap_co.amp

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

No dipshit, they don't rotate in when the starter needs a breather. They are not "backups", it's about player groupings. Who is in depends on what defense we are playing, NOT based on if people are tired or not.



13 freshman that burned their redshirts = 13 freshmen who are expected to see significant playing time in the near future. The kids that aren't going to be playing in the near future are the ones who redshirt.

Stay with me, this next step may be a little difficult for you. That article was from last year, and that means this coming year they will be sophomores and they will be playing a good bit.



The QB is a backup, because he comes in only as a backup, not to fill a role. The others sound like players who have roles, so pretending like there is a gap in your roster without experience is wrong. Do they have experience in their roles? Yep. Did they do those roles when the games were on the line? Yep. But yet, you act like you a replacing their position because of a "starter" label.

Just because they have a limited role doesn't mean they didn't start at their role. A punter doesn't do anything but kick the ball in like 5 or so plays a game, but it's his role and he's a starter at his role.



I didn't say that at all, so I guess you are just desperate.

You do realize that a player who plays a ROLE is a SITUATIONAL player. Not a starter.

The extra CB -- not a starter, situational player
The goal line RB -- Not a starter, situational player
The pass rushing specialist -- Not a starter, a situational player
The guys used to give the DL a breather -- not a starter, a rotational player
The 2nd TE on jumbo packages -- not a starter, a situational player

It isn't difficult to understand -- the guys played 75-80% of the snaps are your starters.

 

[4down20]

I don't know if you are being serious or not? I have a feeling you have never played football growing up.

If you are wondering who the 'starters' are for Alabama. Look at the snap count against Clemson. While you are reading the article -- notice how they talk about the guys (in your eyes, the starters) who come off the bench to 'spell' teammates (I.e. Give them a breather)

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.al.com/v1/articles/19972877/a_look_at_the_shocking_snap_co.amp

It's pretty funny how much shit some of you guys have to make up when trying to respond.

In your article, it quotes all the snaps Tony Brown played in the game. Tony Brown plays Star, a situational position, and yet he played 99 snaps vs Clemson.

 

[4down20]

You do realize that a player who plays a ROLE is a SITUATIONAL player. Not a starter.

The extra CB -- not a starter, situational player
The goal line RB -- Not a starter, situational player
The pass rushing specialist -- Not a starter, a situational player
The guys used to give the DL a breather -- not a starter, a rotational player
The 2nd TE on jumbo packages -- not a starter, a situational player

It isn't difficult to understand -- the guys played 75-80% of the snaps are your starters.

The extra CB = Tony Brown who played 99 snaps in the biggest game of the year. According to your method, he's not a returning starter for Alabama in 1 post, then in the next post he would be under your rules.

And in your own article, you kind of debunked your own myth of players giving the DL a breather. We didn't have the same depth we had in 2015 and all those players played all those downs.

 

[DJ]

I miss football.....

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

It's pretty funny how much shit some of you guys have to make up when trying to respond.

In your article, it quotes all the snaps Tony Brown played in the game. Tony Brown plays Star, a situational position, and yet he played 99 snaps vs Clemson.

You played a spread offense where you kept your nickel back on the field. Is it that tough for you to figure out? Does he start every game at CB? No. You call that a situational player.

I feel like I'm teaching a 6 year old about football.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

The extra CB = Tony Brown who played 99 snaps in the biggest game of the year. According to your method, he's not a returning starter for Alabama in 1 post, then in the next post he would be under your rules.

And in your own article, you kind of debunked your own myth of players giving the DL a breather. We didn't have the same depth we had in 2015 and all those players played all those downs.

Yes -- the biggest game happened to be against a spread offense where you needed the EXTRA, as in more than two, as in the nickel back, as in the 'star' position.

UM's nickelback who WAS NOT a starter was drafted in the NFL draft. Still not a starter.

And what was debunked? It literally says players were brought in for 20 plays out of 100 to spell different players (if you aren't sure what that means, it means to give them a break -- NOT STARTERS -- rotational players)

 

[4down20]

You played a spread offense where you kept your nickel back on the field. Is it that tough for you to figure out? Does he start every game at CB? No. You call that a situational player.

I feel like I'm teaching a 6 year old about football.

Yes -- the biggest game happened to be against a spread offense where you needed the EXTRA, as in more than two, as in the nickel back, as in the 'star' position.

UM's nickelback who WAS NOT a starter was drafted in the NFL draft. Still not a starter.

And what was debunked? It literally says players were brought in for 20 plays out of 100 to spell different players (if you aren't sure what that means, it means to give them a break -- NOT STARTERS -- rotational players)

You said to look at the Clemson game, see who played the most plays and that's who the starters were. You posted the link, not me.

So is he a starter or not? If he's not a "starter", what the fuck meaning does the word even have when you are talking about what you are returning if a guy with 3 years experience at a variety of positions/roles isn't considered because he's played in roles?

And at your dumbass trying to tell me positions like I don't know because you ain't got shit.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

You said to look at the Clemson game, see who played the most plays and that's who the starters were. You posted the link, not me.

So is he a starter or not? If he's not a "starter", what the fuck meaning does the word even have when you are talking about what you are returning if a guy with 3 years experience at a variety of positions/roles isn't considered because he's played in roles?

And at your dumbass trying to tell me positions like I don't know because you ain't got shit.

No. He is a situational player. I already told you that. He is on the field as a nickelback when a teams goes 3 or even 4 wide. It isn't difficult to understand. The base defense are your starters. Situational players get reps when they are needed. If a team stays 3 and 4 wide like Clemson, the nickelback will be on the field. Still does not make him a starter.

The starters are the players who will be on the field regardless of who you are playing. It isn't difficult to understand.

 

[7Samurai13]

Yes -- the biggest game happened to be against a spread offense where you needed the EXTRA, as in more than two, as in the nickel back, as in the 'star' position.

UM's nickelback who WAS NOT a starter was drafted in the NFL draft. Still not a starter.

And what was debunked? It literally says players were brought in for 20 plays out of 100 to spell different players (if you aren't sure what that means, it means to give them a break -- NOT STARTERS -- rotational players)

UM is Nickelback all right.

 

[4down20]

No. He is a situational player. I already told you that. He is on the field as a nickelback when a teams goes 3 or even 4 wide. It isn't difficult to understand. The base defense are your starters. Situational players get reps when they are needed. If a team stays 3 and 4 wide like Clemson, the nickelback will be on the field. Still does not make him a starter.

The starters are the players who will be on the field regardless of who you are playing. It isn't difficult to understand.

So even mentioning the word starter is pretty stupid.

Got it.

 

[socaljim242]

Every team has starters. They might spell some linemen here and there but to argue that your team (who ever it is doesnt have starters is idiotic. What the hell do they kill themselves in the spring and fall practices for? To be named the starter and play most of the game.

 

[4down20]

Every team has starters. They might spell some linemen here and there but to argue that your team (who ever it is doesnt have starters is idiotic. What the hell do they kill themselves in the spring and fall practices for? To be named the starter and play most of the game.

It's not that teams are saying there are no starters, it's that there are many more starters than just the 11 you have on the field. So they add in the "OR" because depending on the formation/situation it could be a different guy playing the position.

It's truer on defensive than offense. On offense, you want to find a good combination for the O-Line and they pretty much only switch out for injury. You have the same QB all the time obviously(ideally), but then when it comes to other skill positions it varies. Some teams might have 2 or 3 RB's they switch between, then you might have 3 WR in 1 formation but 4 in another, etc.

But defensively there are much more situations/formations and people who play different roles and different times. Tony Brown played in 99 plays against Clemson, but apparently, you can't call him a starter according to some because he plays the Star position which is only used in some situations. That's dumb.

 

[nddulac]

It's not that teams are saying there are no starters, it's that there are many more starters than just the 11 you have on the field.

It isn't that they aren't starters . . they are "alternative starters."

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

So even mentioning the word starter is pretty stupid.

Got it.

Yep, you are right. Every team in CFB has 11 starters on offense and 11 starters on defense, except Alabama.

Everyone has situational players, except Alabama. Everyone has rotational players, except Alabama. No wonder Bama is so good on defense -- they have 15+ starters on the field at all time.

It is quite obvious you have never played a down of football.

 

[socaljim242]

It's not that teams are saying there are no starters, it's that there are many more starters than just the 11 you have on the field. So they add in the "OR" because depending on the formation/situation it could be a different guy playing the position.

It's truer on defensive than offense. On offense, you want to find a good combination for the O-Line and they pretty much only switch out for injury. You have the same QB all the time obviously(ideally), but then when it comes to other skill positions it varies. Some teams might have 2 or 3 RB's they switch between, then you might have 3 WR in 1 formation but 4 in another, etc.

But defensively there are much more situations/formations and people who play different roles and different times. Tony Brown played in 99 plays against Clemson, but apparently, you can't call him a starter according to some because he plays the Star position which is only used in some situations. That's dumb.

Clemson had 57 passing attempts and 42 rushing attempts. That's 99 offensive plays not counting punts and field goal attempts. If you're one of the 11 players on defense and play every down your unit plays I don't think it matters if they call your position Star or Elephant or what ever.

 

[outofyourmind]

Here's the real list.

1. Tennessee
2. Oregon
3. Texas
4. VT
5. Michigan
6. Oklahoma State
7. UCLA
8. Georgia

 

[4down20]

Yep, you are right. Every team in CFB has 11 starters on offense and 11 starters on defense, except Alabama.

Everyone has situational players, except Alabama. Everyone has rotational players, except Alabama. No wonder Bama is so good on defense -- they have 15+ starters on the field at all time.

It is quite obvious you have never played a down of football.

What the hell does recognizing more people contribute than the 11 on the field and should be recognized have anything to do with playing football? Hell, at the levels I played football as a kid we played both sides of the ball, and sure as hell didn't even have a depth chart.

Why the fuck would it even be relevant to start with?

If it makes you feel any better, #10 below was my high school football coach and probably the only Alabama player I hate. Interestingly enough, he was also the high school coach when I played football in 2nd grade at an entirely different school.

So I guess since I played football(I'll use that loosely because I sucked ass), you must be wrong

 

[Wamu]

Here's the real list.

1. Tennessee
2. Oregon
3. Texas
4. VT
5. Michigan
6. Oklahoma State
7. UCLA
8. Georgia

What about Vanderbilt?

 

[4down20]

Clemson had 57 passing attempts and 42 rushing attempts. That's 99 offensive plays not counting punts and field goal attempts. If you're one of the 11 players on defense and play every down your unit plays I don't think it matters if they call your position Star or Elephant or what ever.

That's kind of the point of the argument here. When you have a guy who is playing that much(and he's played 3 years at different positions) it's pretty silly to not call him a "returning starter" when talking about what your team returns as it suggests that by not having a "returning starter" in him it means it's just some guy without game experience.

Alabama has many players like this.