Coach Saban wasn't that great...

[7Samurai13]

Didnt that poor team play .500 football for George Perles or did they get worse over time? MSU returned Tony Banks (2nd round pick in the NFL), returned Mushin Muhammad (2nd round pick in the NFL) and Derrick Mason (4th round pick in the NFL). You returned Marc Renaud at RB who averaged 5.5 YPC splitting carries the year before.

Seems to be a little more than nothing to me. I can't vouche for the defense. I don't remember who they had and don't feel like looking it up.

That poor team was then hit by sanctions.

 

[bamabear82]

I can only imagine the medal Saban got for 2 fifth place finishes and 2 sixth place finishes in the B1G. Can't be as nice as that one.

Saban doesn't need participation trophies, unlike Jimmy, he's winning real one's for real accomplishments in what has been one of the strongest conferences in CFB over his time here. My sauces are telling that the NCAA is considering taking Harbs participation trophy back after wasting all that talent on back to back 3rd place divisional finishes tho.

 

[Wamu]

Didnt that poor team play .500 football for George Perles or did they get worse over time?

Didn't that shitty team of yours go from winning 9 games under Carr to winning 3 under RichRod & Hoke's winning % each year went down? That's more recent than the Perles era @ Michigan State.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

You don't go 4-2 against ranked teams by pure luck. Which brings me back to my original point of Saban having to do it in a much tougher environment. And who knows what he could have done had he stayed. Seemed like he was starting to turn around the mess he inherited.

Who wouldn't leave a job when you can earn double what you were?

If he had left the team stacked with talent. It wouldn't go right back to mediocre.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Saban doesn't need participation trophies, unlike Jimmy, he's winning real one's for real accomplishments in what has been one of the strongest conferences in CFB over his time here. My sauces are telling that the NCAA is considering taking Harbs participation trophy back after wasting all that talent on back to back 3rd place divisional finishes tho.

It is probably the same sources laughing at Saban for being a mediocre B1G coach.

Imagine what Harbaugh could do in the SEC, since he has already lapped what Saban could accomplish in the B1G in 5 years, in only 2 and well, we all know about Saban's attempt to coach on a 'level playing field' in the NFL, he jumped back to his comfort zone in the SEC before the ink dried on his contract.

Face it -- Saban in the B1G, just another coach. Saban in the SEC, he is great. Saban in the NFL, just another coach. Saban in the SEC, he is great.

Saban is a great coach...............as I've said repeatedly............in the SEC. Without the overwhelming difference in talent, he is just another coach.

 

[bamabear82]

Imagine what Harbaugh could do in the SEC,

One can only assume that he'd finish 3rd in his division. I mean, hell, he had more NFL players than anyone in the SEC and coached in a similarly strong conference this past season. Basically a sleazier version of Mark Richt.

 

[B_dub]

It is probably the same sources laughing at Saban for being a mediocre B1G coach.

Imagine what Harbaugh could do in the SEC, since he has already lapped what Saban could accomplish in the B1G in 5 years, in only 2 and well, we all know about Saban's attempt to coach on a 'level playing field' in the NFL, he jumped back to his comfort zone in the SEC before the ink dried on his contract.

Face it -- Saban in the B1G, just another coach. Saban in the SEC, he is great. Saban in the NFL, just another coach. Saban in the SEC, he is great.

Saban is a great coach...............as I've said repeatedly............in the SEC. Without the overwhelming difference in talent, he is just another coach.

Gawd your such a fag..

 

[Bandwagonbo2]

Where have I brought up him attending a game? I couldn't care less about that. I live literally 20 minutes from the Big House with access to go to every home game and I rarely go, as it is a pain in the ass with the traffic.

And Harbaugh has already done something twice in two years that Saban couldn't do in the B1G in 5 years. Win 10 games in a season. Hell, Saban only won more than 7 once in 5 years.

If Saban took over Michigan they would win a title in two years. If Harbaugh doesnt win a title or atleast make the playoffs this season, he is an utter failure. the odd thing is Harbaugj had one Good season at Stanford and bolted. And before you come back with bullshit 8 wins in a weak conference like the Pac 12 is not good, its average at best.

Anyone can recruit to Michigan, so its time Jimmyboy won more than 10 games in a season. So far he is being bested by supposedly lesser coaches.

 

[Bandwagonbo2]

Michigan had 13 players drafted the last two years that Harbaugh had nothing to do with bringing to Ann Arbor.

For a comparison over that same period,
Oklahoma 8 - two big 12 titles and a playoff appearance
Michigan State 7 - one big 10 title and a playoff appearance
Clemson 15 - two ACC titles, two playoff appearances and a natty
Penn State 6 - one big 10 title
Washington 7 - one PAC title and a playoff appearance
Stanford 7 - one PAC title
Alabama 17 - two SEC titles, two playoff appearances, and a natty

That's every team that has won a major conference the last two years.
Just for shits and giggles
Ohio State 19 - no Big 10 titles and a playoff appearance.

And Michigan fans will tell you that those two recruiting classes that were top ten that produced 13 NFL players, were busts.

Hell, everyone knows Dabo Swinney can outcoach Harbaugh anyday. He is building a juggernaut at Clemson, Harbaugh is coaching a team that recruits will flock to on name alone.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

One can only assume that he'd finish 3rd in his division. I mean, hell, he had more NFL players than anyone in the SEC and coached in a similarly strong conference this past season. Basically a sleazier version of Mark Richt.

If Saban can be great in the SEC, imagine what a coach who achieved more in year 1 in the B1G than Saban did in 5 years could do?. And it is probably best not to speak about the NFL, I think we can all agree who was the better coach at the pinnacle of the coaching profession. (Not the guy who quit after 2 years with a below .500 record)

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Michigan had 13 players drafted the last two years that Harbaugh had nothing to do with bringing to Ann Arbor.

For a comparison over that same period,
Oklahoma 8 - two big 12 titles and a playoff appearance
Michigan State 7 - one big 10 title and a playoff appearance
Clemson 15 - two ACC titles, two playoff appearances and a natty
Penn State 6 - one big 10 title
Washington 7 - one PAC title and a playoff appearance
Stanford 7 - one PAC title
Alabama 17 - two SEC titles, two playoff appearances, and a natty

That's every team that has won a major conference the last two years.
Just for shits and giggles
Ohio State 19 - no Big 10 titles and a playoff appearance.

And Michigan fans will tell you that those two recruiting classes that were top ten that produced 13 NFL players, were busts.

Now list the QB of those teams and tell me which were worse than UM's

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

If Saban took over Michigan they would win a title in two years. If Harbaugh doesnt win a title or atleast make the playoffs this season, he is an utter failure. the odd thing is Harbaugj had one Good season at Stanford and bolted. And before you come back with bullshit 8 wins in a weak conference like the Pac 12 is not good, its average at best.

Anyone can recruit to Michigan, so its time Jimmyboy won more than 10 games in a season. So far he is being bested by supposedly lesser coaches.

Stanford's own coach right now has said publicly Harbaugh is responsible for rebuilding the Stanford program into a national power again. You see -- when you build a team, it isn't a single season (see Saban at MSU).

And Saban had his shot in the B1G, we saw what he could accomplish. Are you saying now that Saban has to be at a certain school and get certain recruits to be successful? If so, I agree wholeheartedly. Hence why I say Saban is........great in the SEC. I'm glad you are finally agreeing with me.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Hell, everyone knows Dabo Swinney can outcoach Harbaugh anyday. He is building a juggernaut at Clemson, Harbaugh is coaching a team that recruits will flock to on name alone.

Can't argue with you on this. We all got to watch him outcoach Saban and Urban Meyer this past year.

 

[Bandwagonbo2]

Stanford's own coach right now has said publicly Harbaugh is responsible for rebuilding the Stanford program into a national power again. You see -- when you build a team, it isn't a single season (see Saban at MSU).

And Saban had his shot in the B1G, we saw what he could accomplish. Are you saying now that Saban has to be at a certain school and get certain recruits to be successful? If so, I agree wholeheartedly. Hence why I say Saban is........great in the SEC. I'm glad you are finally agreeing with me.

Actually, I was more referring to the mediocre seasons Harbaugh is having at a school he can easily recruit to. He needs to step up his game, 3 losses per season is not coaching. If he doesnt make the playoffs this season, he is failing to produce at a thoroughbred University where even Brady Hoke could get recruits.

When Harbaugh wins his 5th title, call us, until then even Dabo Swinney is Harbaughs daddy.

 

[Bandwagonbo2]

Can't argue with you on this. We all got to watch him outcoach Saban and Urban Meyer this past year.

He will coach at Bama one day soon, when the mothership calls, he will jump at the chance. Dabo is an Alabama boy, he knew how to beat Bama, just follow their own gameplan. its not an easy feat, but he built a team to do it.

 

[bamabear82]

If Saban can be great in the SEC, imagine what a coach who achieved more in year 1 in the B1G than Saban did in 5 years could do?.

Like I said, finish 3rd in his division, sleazier Mark Richt en sech. You not read the post you just quoted or something? Not to mention, trying to equate two different time periods in sports that happens to be like 20 years apart is asinine at best. Then again, it's really the only way you can put Harbs and Saban in the same sentence when it comes to accomplishments (or lack thereof in Jimmy's case).

 

[bamabear82]

Actually, I was more referring to the mediocre seasons Harbaugh is having at a school he can easily recruit to. He needs to step up his game, 3 losses per season is not coaching. If he doesnt make the playoffs this season, he is failing to produce at a thoroughbred University where even Brady Hoke could get recruits.

When Harbaugh wins his 5th title, call us, until then even Dabo Swinney is Harbaughs daddy.

But, in case you haven't heard, Harbaugh played in the NFL. So...... yeah, get you some of that.

 

[Bandwagonbo2]

If Saban can be great in the SEC, imagine what a coach who achieved more in year 1 in the B1G than Saban did in 5 years could do?. And it is probably best not to speak about the NFL, I think we can all agree who was the better coach at the pinnacle of the coaching profession. (Not the guy who quit after 2 years with a below .500 record)

So then we can expect Harbaugh to run the table in the weaker B1G and win a natty this year then, right? Apparently he is superior to everyone because he coached in the NFL. I can hardly wait until the season starts to see his magnificence on the field. I am only sorry his players failed him the last 2 years, clearly its their fault as he is supercoach and incapable of faltering. we should bow to his 10 win seasons.

 

[bamabear82]

 

[7Samurai13]

Now list the QB of those teams and tell me which were worse than UM's

Which of those teams have the great QB whisperer as head coach?