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In Hollow Man, Kevin Bacon's character was a tragic hero... but I guess that depends on what he planned on using his invisibility serum for before he found out he couldn't change back.
So what the fuck are you arguing with all of us about?
I don't even know. Let's smoke a doobie, listen to Kumbaya, and send our troops home from this ill-begotten goddamn Vietnam WarSo what the fuck are you arguing with all of us about?
I'm actually not one to get the last word in. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. I just hold steadfast to my Breaking Bad opinions and philosophies. But if somebody were to tell me that Nucky Thompson was actually an alien from Mars in Boardwalk Empire, I probably wouldn't say much.That what you say pales in comparison to him, regardless if you said the same thing he did.
I don't know that he qualifies. What choice did he make that lead to his demise? Allowing Windu to be killed? Attacking the younglings? Falling for Padme? Allowing himself to be played by two horrible actors (or at least allowing himself to be written by a senile old coot).Okay, so would Annakin Skywalker count?
Edit: Or is that one so glaringly obvious that it isn't even interesting?
I don't know that he qualifies. What choice did he make that lead to his demise? Allowing Windu to be killed? Attacking the younglings? Falling for Padme? Allowing himself to be played by two horrible actors (or at least allowing himself to be written by a senile old coot).
I think a tragic hero essentially requires a single point/decision that causes his troubles, and Anakin never really had many choices in his direction. He was a slave, rescued by the Jedi. His mother was murdered which planted the seed of vengeance. He cared too much for another, which clouded his objectivity. He was "duped" by the most powerful force-user in the known galaxy.
I don't know that you necisarrily need to be a "paragon" before your fateful decision to be a tragic hero. But I do think you need to have that singular decision that everything can be traced back to. And Anakin never had that singular moment.I think singularly perhaps the issue that wanting to prevent and/or reverse Padme's ultimate death leads him to allowing himself be taught by Sidious... Annnnnnnnd it all kinda goes wrong from there.
But yeah, I guess he wasn't some paragon before that.
I didn't like Watchmen (2/5 stars), but I agree that JEH gave a great performance.My favorite example of a tragic hero in recent modern cinema is probably Rorshach from Watchmen.
Watching him stand by his morals and refusing to compromise to the point that he insists on his own death as opposed to keeping a secret was actually heartwrenching. Great performance by Jackie Earl Haley.
I don't know that he qualifies. What choice did he make that lead to his demise? Allowing Windu to be killed? Attacking the younglings? Falling for Padme? Allowing himself to be played by two horrible actors (or at least allowing himself to be written by a senile old coot).
I think a tragic hero essentially requires a single point/decision that causes his troubles, and Anakin never really had many choices in his direction. He was a slave, rescued by the Jedi. His mother was murdered which planted the seed of vengeance. He cared too much for another, which clouded his objectivity. He was "duped" by the most powerful force-user in the known galaxy.
Ok, picking his relationship with Padme over his Jedi training could count, but that wasn't really a singular decision. Unless you count the actual wedding as the decision. I guess I could go with that.He picked a chick over stopping the bad guy.
That's a pretty big decision.
Did allow Windu to be killed? Or was he the cause of it, because that shit was over before he interfered.
Ok, picking his relationship with Padme over his Jedi training could count, but that wasn't really a singular decision. Unless you count the actual wedding as the decision. I guess I could go with that.
Obi-Wan had a similar choice with Sabine, and while he also had strong feelings, he chose his Jedi calling over his feelings for her.
Ok, picking his relationship with Padme over his Jedi training could count, but that wasn't really a singular decision. Unless you count the actual wedding as the decision. I guess I could go with that.
Obi-Wan had a similar choice with Sabine, and while he also had strong feelings, he chose his Jedi calling over his feelings for her.
Allowing himself to be played by two horrible actors (or at least allowing himself to be written by a senile old coot).
Heston's "I am Legend"?