If Brady makes the sb and loses

[GNG]

I thought we were talking about football players none of us have ever seen play even on film.

Just because you never saw them doesn't diminish their accomplishments.

 

[darken65]

Oh, so non English is what he is speaking. Thanks. You've been a real help to both of us, via clearing that up.

Glad to help out! Good luck tomorrow.I have the Pats winning it all.

 

[NEPatsfan]

GnG it was a fair question.

 

[GNG]

What are some of their names, these "historians"?

Do some research on your own.

 

[NEPatsfan]

Glad to help out! Good luck tomorrow.I have the Pats winning it all.

Thanks, back at ya

To be honest, win or lose I'm perfectly happy with just a fun game. I'm at a point in my life where I see it as entertainment, like going to the movies. Sometimes the guys you want to win do, and sometimes they don't.

 

[GNG]

GnG it was a fair question.

Like I said check it out for yourself.

 

[NEPatsfan]

Do some research on your own.

How do you search that?

 

[GNG]

How do you search that?

You're a smart guy, you'll figure it out.

 

[{+}Mother-Marge{+}]

......

 

[Psych-Ward]

SPED means Special Education

"sped", isn't a word, nor is "Sped" or an acronym, and he may in fact be retarded.

you're so clever.... But we know the retard around here would be you.

and I bet you have a link to it, don't ya

 

[Psych-Ward]

How do you search that?

Check all your links

 

[PatsFan2003]

Just because you never saw them doesn't diminish their accomplishments.

I understand but I think it's hard if not impossible to appreciate them based on just numbers from 70 years ago.

 

[handicappers]

What are some of their names, these "historians"?

That would be Rain Man, Gilbert Grape and Sling Blade. The three tenors, if you will, of GnG's world.

 

[Brees#1]

That ship has sailed. Losing in the SB would still give Brady as many rings as Montana and THREE more SB appearances. And this idea that it's better to be .1000 in championship games and have 4 rings than to have 4 rings and 6 (or 7) appearances is absurd.

Did Montana play 14 seasons with SF? No, he didn't. He played 13 and was hurt the last two seasons.

Brady went to his fifth sb in his 11th season. Brady went to his fourth sb in his 7th season.

Montana went to his fourth sb in his 10th season. However, considering he went to his first one in his second season as a starter. Starting from when he dictated SF's seasons he went to his fourth in 9 seasons. Had he not gone to the KC chiefs of all teams he would have had a fifth. After all, he took KC to the AFCCG, but Buffalo was playing for their fourth straight sb bid and KC had not won a playoff game in 24 seasons.

And Brady's losing sb appearances came through these matchups on the way
Jacksonville
San Diego(who was banged up, LT and Rivers were not healthy)
Denver(who was 8-8 btw)
Baltimore(who almost won)

NE played sloppy in three of those games. Tebow lost his job because of the blowout loss by Denver.

Brady also ended his season to these
Denver twice(one Plummer, other Manning)(in Denver)
Indianapolis(Manning, two losses to Manning)
Baltimore(twice)
New York Jets

Montana's seasons ended against these
Washington(83 the redskins were big then)
New York Giants(85 who won the sb the following season)
Minnesota(87)
New York Giants(90, who won the sb)

Brady ended his season to four teams who didn't win the sb. And three who didn't make the sb.

Montana ended his season to three teams who didn't win the sb. And two who didn't make it.

And let's compare
Brady's first season-Playoffs and sb
Montana's first-no playoffs but was not his fault
Brady-1
Brady's second season-no playoffs
Montana's second season-playoffs, HFA, and SB.
Montana-1
Brady's third season-playoffs, HFA, and SB
Montana's third season-no playoffs due to strike shortened season
Brady-2
Brady's fourth season-playoffs and SB
Montana's fourth season-playoffs but no SB, lost in NFCCG though
Brady-3
Brady's fifth season-playoffs, lost in divisional
Montana's fourth season-playoffs, HFA, and SB
Montana-2
Brady's sixth season-playoffs, lost in AFCCG
Montana's sixth season-playoffs, lost in wild card
Brady-4
Brady's seventh season-playoffs, HFA, and SB loss
Montana's seventh season-no playoffs, played eight games due to back injury
Brady-5
Brady's eighth superbowl-injured and missed rest of season early week 1 on.
Montana's eighth season-playoffs, lost in divisional. Played eight games due to injury.
Montana-3
Brady's ninth season-playoffs, lost in wild card.
Montana's ninth season-playoffs and SB.
Montana-4
Brady's tenth season-playoffs, HFA, lost in divisional
Montana's tenth season-playoffs, HFA, and SB
Montana-5
Brady's eleventh season-playoffs, HFA, and SB loss
Montana's eighth season-playoffs, HFA, lost in NFCCG
**Montana lost to the sb winner so this is a draw

So you see after Montana's last true season with SF, he has the same advantage points as Brady. However Brady's first advantage was due to Montana not even making the playoffs. His second was due to a strike. His fifth due to Montana's injury.

Montana's first advantage was due to Brady not making the playoffs. His second was due to Brady losing in divisional. His fourth was due to Brady losing in wild card because he didn't have Wes Welker. His fifth was due to Brady losing in divisional to a division rival whose starting qb was Mark Sanchez.

Brady's third and fourth were legit. Montana's first, second, fourth, and fifth were legit.

And let's also compare home wins out of home games played
Brady-17 with 14 games won
Montana-12 with 9 won

Road games
Brady-6 with 3 won
Montana-2 with 1 won

Brady's had more chances. If Montana had more chances who knows what would have happened.

Playing in more SBs is not the barometer for success when he would not have been in one in 11 if not for Manning's injury(Colts would have had HFA, Brady doesn't even get the 2 seed). Losing the SB is no accomplishment. It was not back then. That's for sure. It's better to miss than to lose. Also, Montana lost playoff games in a conference that dominated for 12 years straight. Brady lost to the other conference and one time the other was not superior. He also lost playoff games in three other years his conference was not superior.

Brady loses the sb he has only won 57% of his SB appearances. That's no GOAT.

 

[Southieinnc]

Did Montana play 14 seasons with SF? No, he didn't. He played 13 and was hurt the last two seasons.

Brady went to his fifth sb in his 11th season. Brady went to his fourth sb in his 7th season.

Montana went to his fourth sb in his 10th season. However, considering he went to his first one in his second season as a starter. Starting from when he dictated SF's seasons he went to his fourth in 9 seasons. Had he not gone to the KC chiefs of all teams he would have had a fifth. After all, he took KC to the AFCCG, but Buffalo was playing for their fourth straight sb bid and KC had not won a playoff game in 24 seasons.

And Brady's losing sb appearances came through these matchups on the way
Jacksonville
San Diego(who was banged up, LT and Rivers were not healthy)
Denver(who was 8-8 btw)
Baltimore(who almost won)

NE played sloppy in three of those games. Tebow lost his job because of the blowout loss by Denver.

Brady also ended his season to these
Denver twice(one Plummer, other Manning)(in Denver)
Indianapolis(Manning, two losses to Manning)
Baltimore(twice)
New York Jets

Montana's seasons ended against these
Washington(83 the redskins were big then)
New York Giants(85 who won the sb the following season)
Minnesota(87)
New York Giants(90, who won the sb)

Brady ended his season to four teams who didn't win the sb. And three who didn't make the sb.

Montana ended his season to three teams who didn't win the sb. And two who didn't make it.

And let's compare
Brady's first season-Playoffs and sb
Montana's first-no playoffs but was not his fault
Brady-1
Brady's second season-no playoffs
Montana's second season-playoffs, HFA, and SB.
Montana-1
Brady's third season-playoffs, HFA, and SB
Montana's third season-no playoffs due to strike shortened season
Brady-2
Brady's fourth season-playoffs and SB
Montana's fourth season-playoffs but no SB, lost in NFCCG though
Brady-3
Brady's fifth season-playoffs, lost in divisional
Montana's fourth season-playoffs, HFA, and SB
Montana-2
Brady's sixth season-playoffs, lost in AFCCG
Montana's sixth season-playoffs, lost in wild card
Brady-4
Brady's seventh season-playoffs, HFA, and SB loss
Montana's seventh season-no playoffs, played eight games due to back injury
Brady-5
Brady's eighth superbowl-injured and missed rest of season early week 1 on.
Montana's eighth season-playoffs, lost in divisional. Played eight games due to injury.
Montana-3
Brady's ninth season-playoffs, lost in wild card.
Montana's ninth season-playoffs and SB.
Montana-4
Brady's tenth season-playoffs, HFA, lost in divisional
Montana's tenth season-playoffs, HFA, and SB
Montana-5
Brady's eleventh season-playoffs, HFA, and SB loss
Montana's eighth season-playoffs, HFA, lost in NFCCG
**Montana lost to the sb winner so this is a draw

So you see after Montana's last true season with SF, he has the same advantage points as Brady. However Brady's first advantage was due to Montana not even making the playoffs. His second was due to a strike. His fifth due to Montana's injury.

Montana's first advantage was due to Brady not making the playoffs. His second was due to Brady losing in divisional. His fourth was due to Brady losing in wild card because he didn't have Wes Welker. His fifth was due to Brady losing in divisional to a division rival whose starting qb was Mark Sanchez.

Brady's third and fourth were legit. Montana's first, second, fourth, and fifth were legit.

And let's also compare home wins out of home games played
Brady-17 with 14 games won
Montana-12 with 9 won

Road games
Brady-6 with 3 won
Montana-2 with 1 won

Brady's had more chances. If Montana had more chances who knows what would have happened.

Playing in more SBs is not the barometer for success when he would not have been in one in 11 if not for Manning's injury(Colts would have had HFA, Brady doesn't even get the 2 seed). Losing the SB is no accomplishment. It was not back then. That's for sure. It's better to miss than to lose. Also, Montana lost playoff games in a conference that dominated for 12 years straight. Brady lost to the other conference and one time the other was not superior. He also lost playoff games in three other years his conference was not superior.

Brady loses the sb he has only won 57% of his SB appearances. That's no GOAT.

Wow! Can you shorten that to like 2 sentences?????

 

[chappee11]

Did Montana play 14 seasons with SF? No, he didn't. He played 13 and was hurt the last two seasons.

Brady went to his fifth sb in his 11th season. Brady went to his fourth sb in his 7th season.

Montana went to his fourth sb in his 10th season. However, considering he went to his first one in his second season as a starter. Starting from when he dictated SF's seasons he went to his fourth in 9 seasons. Had he not gone to the KC chiefs of all teams he would have had a fifth. After all, he took KC to the AFCCG, but Buffalo was playing for their fourth straight sb bid and KC had not won a playoff game in 24 seasons.

And Brady's losing sb appearances came through these matchups on the way
Jacksonville
San Diego(who was banged up, LT and Rivers were not healthy)
Denver(who was 8-8 btw)
Baltimore(who almost won)

NE played sloppy in three of those games. Tebow lost his job because of the blowout loss by Denver.

Brady also ended his season to these
Denver twice(one Plummer, other Manning)(in Denver)
Indianapolis(Manning, two losses to Manning)
Baltimore(twice)
New York Jets

Montana's seasons ended against these
Washington(83 the redskins were big then)
New York Giants(85 who won the sb the following season)
Minnesota(87)
New York Giants(90, who won the sb)

Brady ended his season to four teams who didn't win the sb. And three who didn't make the sb.

Montana ended his season to three teams who didn't win the sb. And two who didn't make it.

And let's compare
Brady's first season-Playoffs and sb
Montana's first-no playoffs but was not his fault
Brady-1
Brady's second season-no playoffs
Montana's second season-playoffs, HFA, and SB.
Montana-1
Brady's third season-playoffs, HFA, and SB
Montana's third season-no playoffs due to strike shortened season
Brady-2
Brady's fourth season-playoffs and SB
Montana's fourth season-playoffs but no SB, lost in NFCCG though
Brady-3
Brady's fifth season-playoffs, lost in divisional
Montana's fourth season-playoffs, HFA, and SB
Montana-2
Brady's sixth season-playoffs, lost in AFCCG
Montana's sixth season-playoffs, lost in wild card
Brady-4
Brady's seventh season-playoffs, HFA, and SB loss
Montana's seventh season-no playoffs, played eight games due to back injury
Brady-5
Brady's eighth superbowl-injured and missed rest of season early week 1 on.
Montana's eighth season-playoffs, lost in divisional. Played eight games due to injury.
Montana-3
Brady's ninth season-playoffs, lost in wild card.
Montana's ninth season-playoffs and SB.
Montana-4
Brady's tenth season-playoffs, HFA, lost in divisional
Montana's tenth season-playoffs, HFA, and SB
Montana-5
Brady's eleventh season-playoffs, HFA, and SB loss
Montana's eighth season-playoffs, HFA, lost in NFCCG
**Montana lost to the sb winner so this is a draw

So you see after Montana's last true season with SF, he has the same advantage points as Brady. However Brady's first advantage was due to Montana not even making the playoffs. His second was due to a strike. His fifth due to Montana's injury.

Montana's first advantage was due to Brady not making the playoffs. His second was due to Brady losing in divisional. His fourth was due to Brady losing in wild card because he didn't have Wes Welker. His fifth was due to Brady losing in divisional to a division rival whose starting qb was Mark Sanchez.

Brady's third and fourth were legit. Montana's first, second, fourth, and fifth were legit.

And let's also compare home wins out of home games played
Brady-17 with 14 games won
Montana-12 with 9 won

Road games
Brady-6 with 3 won
Montana-2 with 1 won

Brady's had more chances. If Montana had more chances who knows what would have happened.

Playing in more SBs is not the barometer for success when he would not have been in one in 11 if not for Manning's injury(Colts would have had HFA, Brady doesn't even get the 2 seed). Losing the SB is no accomplishment. It was not back then. That's for sure. It's better to miss than to lose. Also, Montana lost playoff games in a conference that dominated for 12 years straight. Brady lost to the other conference and one time the other was not superior. He also lost playoff games in three other years his conference was not superior.

Brady loses the sb he has only won 57% of his SB appearances. That's no GOAT.

Montana didn't play long enough to be the GOAT. He had 60 less career starts(and counting) than Brady. He also had Jerry Rice for many many years. Don't act like that isn't a factor.

 

[Brees#1]

Where was Jerry in those first two SBs?

 

[TP76]

Why isn't Terry Bradshaw in this discussion? (Greatest Superbowl Era QB)

The GOAT term doesn't apply to any of these guys IMO.

 

[bunchofpixels]

I'm not going to get into the GOAT discussion but how does losing a SB hurt someones legacy more than losing in a championship game? If you really think about it, it makes no sense.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

Most NFL historians give the nod to Hutson as the GOAT. I'll take their judgement over yours any day.

By most and historian you mean who exactly? Nice try. Do you ever have an original thought? Unlike you I'm able to formulate a thought. Thank God for ESPN and Wikipedia otherwise you'd have zero to say.