Report: Patriots used deflated balls

[fredmccallyRTR]

Apparently each team supplies it's own balls. A fact to which I was completely ignorant of until this incident

I was confused too. I thought the home team supplied the balls.

 

[gordontrue]

Q: Didnt NE and Indy use the same balls?

No. Offense provides their own balls. All balls were tested and only the Pats balls were deflated.

 

[gordontrue]

I haven't read all the posts, however there could be an explanation for all this. If the balls were inflated in a hot room to 12 1/2 pounds and then taken outside in the cold, the air pressure would eventually become less.....just a thought.

Several legit science organizations have weighed in...

The bottom line is that weather could definitely impact it... but nowhere near enough to explain the dramatic difference in psi that was found.

 

[fredmccallyRTR]

That confirms it: Brady does have smaller balls than the rest of the league. Suspicions confirmed.

 

[gordontrue]

Even further, whether or not the rule needs to be changed is a discussion for another day, the fact is that it is the rule right now.

Exactly. By breaking an existing rule that other teams aren't breaking... you gain a competitive advantage.

 

[NEhomer]

Using that line of reasoning, why not let them go back to taking a bath in stick-um before the game, let batters use aluminum bats, let of'ers use fish nets for gloves again, let pitchers scuff the ball, ...

The reason they have these rules is they don't want games to be decided by one team out-equipmenting the other. It's silly to argue. NFL has their rules with balls and the Pats thumbed their noses at it. It's a rule that doesn't need to be changed.

Out-equipmenting? My comment was about where to go in the future. Not denying that it appears that the Pats fucked up. Instead of some super ubber high security around balls we could just let a QB and his set of recievers decide which pressure works for them. So Luck could have deflated his too if that suited him. That would end any future issues.

Like, I said, golfers use different balls because they're not shared. It wouldn't work in basketball, baseball, soccer or any other sport where the ball is shared.

 

[FlyerFinFan]

In some ways it's similar to teams snapping the football quickly so a potentially controversial play can't be challenged. Bending the rules or gamesmanship?

That's where the difference lies in regular no huddle you know that you need to cover every receiver that runs out of the huddle. In this scenario the D needs an extra moment to know who's eligible. The refs will most likely hold the ball for just a little longer next season. They are already slowing it down. It's really quite simple...I don't understand why you guys can't understand this after all it is being reviewed by the league for a reason.

 

[PatsFan2003]

That's where the difference lies in regular no huddle you know that you need to cover every receiver that runs out of the huddle. In this scenario the D needs an extra moment to know who's eligible. The refs will most likely hold the ball for just a little longer next season. They are already slowing it down. It's really quite simple...I don't understand why you guys can't understand this after all it is being reviewed by the league for a reason.

That's fine. They made the same adjustment when no-huddle came out. So when teams were pushing the no-huddle was that deceitfulness or gamesmanship?

The point is teams do this type of gamesmanship as part of the game whether it's no-huddle or snapping the ball quickly to avoid a challenge. Same with the alignment nonsense.

If you want to include that as part of your body of Patriots transgressions you weaken your whole point and ... look silly and vindictive.

 

[sonnyblack65]

That's fine. They made the same adjustment when no-huddle came out. So when teams were pushing the no-huddle was that deceitfulness or gamesmanship?

The point is teams do this type of gamesmanship as part of the game whether it's no-huddle or snapping the ball quickly to avoid a challenge. Same with the alignment nonsense.

If you want to include that as part of your body of Patriots transgressions you weaken your whole point and ... look silly and vindictive.

Its FFF's therapy to jump on every Pats thread and bash, its his recovery. Nothing going on on his team board or other ones.5 of his total posts were on Ritchie Incognito and the rest on Pats, maybe a closet Pats fan or Shula's grandson. Come out FFF

 

[FlyerFinFan]

That's fine. They made the same adjustment when no-huddle came out. So when teams were pushing the no-huddle was that deceitfulness or gamesmanship?

The point is teams do this type of gamesmanship as part of the game whether it's no-huddle or snapping the ball quickly to avoid a challenge. Same with the alignment nonsense.

If you want to include that as part of your body of Patriots transgressions you weaken your whole point and ... look silly and vindictive.

You're forgetting that this formation adds another potential receiver trotting out hence the confusion. Every D should have time to know who to cover and with the quick snap it doesn't give them time. BB knew this and took advantage of the rule. Rules should be set so that there's no technical advantages...

 

[FlyerFinFan]

Out-equipmenting? My comment was about where to go in the future. Not denying that it appears that the Pats fucked up. Instead of some super ubber high security around balls we could just let a QB and his set of recievers decide which pressure works for them. So Luck could have deflated his too if that suited him. That would end any future issues.

Like, I said, golfers use different balls because they're not shared. It wouldn't work in basketball, baseball, soccer or any other sport where the ball is shared.

I wouldn't be against this but there will always be a lower limit otherwise a team could trot out a wet noodle when running out the clock so they don't fumble.

 

[NEhomer]

Good point.

 

[FlyerFinFan]

Its FFF's therapy to jump on every Pats thread and bash, its his recovery. Nothing going on on his team board or other ones.5 of his total posts were on Ritchie Incognito and the rest on Pats, maybe a closet Pats fan or Shula's grandson. Come out FFF

Come on sonny you're better than that. I can't help it if the pats are always in the headlines....

Go ahead and audit our team board you'd be surprised how little we talk about you guys. Your fans are commenting more on our board than we are haha!

 

[R.J. MacReady]

Mark Brunell said deflated balls would make a huge difference. He'd be able to throw it 10 yards further.

Well, how did Tom Brady throw that day.



1st half with deflated ball 11/21 (52%) 95 yards 1 TD & 1 INT
2nd half with the inflated ball or regulation 12/14 (86%) 155 yards 2 TD's

 

[PatsFan2003]

You're forgetting that this formation adds another potential receiver trotting out hence the confusion. Every D should have time to know who to cover and with the quick snap it doesn't give them time. BB knew this and took advantage of the rule. Rules should be set so that there's no technical advantages...

Taking advantage of the rules?? WTF is that? In your objective and unbiased opinion. HAHAHAHA!

I think it's similar to how QBs like Manning and Brady pushed the no huddle until defenses were keeling over and the league was felt it was excessive. Perfectly legal and considered brilliant gamesmanship.

 

[sonnyblack65]

Come on sonny you're better than that. I can't help it if the pats are always in the headlines....

Go ahead and audit our team board you'd be surprised how little we talk about you guys. Your fans are commenting more on our board than we are haha!

FFF I wouldnt know and I have never been on the Pats board, too many homers on team boards. I only come on general and did the same with CBS. Plus it fun and good entertainment with the Trolls and their Puppet Master Hammer, he cracks me up and they are puppets in his hands

 

[gordontrue]

Well, how did Tom Brady throw that day.



1st half with deflated ball 11/21 (52%) 95 yards 1 TD & 1 INT
2nd half with the inflated ball or regulation 12/14 (86%) 155 yards 2 TD's

If a cheater's plan to cheat doesn't end up helping him (or even hinders him)... it doesn't mean he isn't a cheater.

It just means he's bad at cheating.

 

[R.J. MacReady]

If a cheater's plan to cheat doesn't end up helping him (or even hinders him)... it doesn't mean he isn't a cheater.

It just means he's bad at cheating.

I agree with you, it had no impact on the game.

 

[steveringo]

Chris Canty says the league should do nothing.

Chris Canty of Baltimore Ravens says New England Patriots are 'habitual line-steppers' - ESPN

Baltimore Ravens defensive end Chris Canty said the New England Patriots are "habitual line-steppers" and that the use of underinflated footballs should be dealt with on the same level as players taking steroids or other banned substances.

So, they should sweep this under the rug??

 

[jarntt]

Do something?