This is comical....yeah no SEC bias

[WVUDAD]

WV fans - you are wasting breath on this issue. Not an argument you can win or alter opinions on.

You are right, hard to battle "team SEC"

 

[bbwvfan]

There are two wild card teams in the World series this year, neither of which 'won' their division. All playoffs include non-division winners.

Who the fuck cares?

Are we talking about the BCS? Or baseball playoffs?

 

[bbwvfan]

The SEC has been pushing for a playoffs for nearly a decade. It was the Big12, Pac12 and B1G who constantly voted against it. It was then those conferences who changed their votes after 2011, it had nothing to do with what the people in general thought. That's the fact of the matter.

So really, you can thank the SEC for pulling the rest of college football by the hair.

And even then - the playoff weren't formed to prevent Alabama from being in them, it was formed to allow OkSt to join in.

I'm aware of your position on things, you believe the title of "conference champion" is most important, even if the team that has that title has it only as a result of losing to a crappy team. We'll just have to disagree.

Do you really think I believe I'm gonna change your mind?

You're a Bammer... of course you feel your team deserved to play for the MNC. You throw out all of your other arguments regarding the meaning of the regular season in doing so. But... hey... you still got the crystal... right?

 

[bbwvfan]

BTW Bammer... how many solid wins did Okie St have... compared to the solid wins of Bama?


Yes.. Okie St lost to a crappy team the evening of a tragic day in which a plane crash killed members of the athletic coaching staff at their school.

 

[RandomParticles]

Who the fuck cares?

Are we talking about the BCS? Or baseball playoffs?

There have been numerous posts comparing to NFL and Basketball, so what's the difference?

 

[RandomParticles]

The only way that any kind of a playoff that includes all conference champions would logically work is if there are an even number of teams in each conference, and there are no divisions within conferences. Also, all teams must be in a conference (ND). Otherwise there will be "weak" conference bias.

Say, for instance, Florida State goes 12-0, and Duke goes 8-4. Duke's losses are to Florida State, Georgia Tech, and a couple of OOC games, but they win the coastal division. Then they pull an upset in the conference championship game and win. Do you REALLY think that a team that goes 9-5 should get the nod to play for the championship over a team that went 12-1?

 

[DCWV4life]

There have been numerous posts comparing to NFL and Basketball, so what's the difference?

Well then if we are going to compare it to basketball there are upsets all the time in the conf championship games that get teams to the playoffs...why not football? For a long time in college football it has been win at the right time lose at the right time. Why does playoffs have to change that? Duke at 8-4 and ACC champs would ave earned the right to play in the playoffs.

 

[WVUDAD]

The only way that any kind of a playoff that includes all conference champions would logically work is if there are an even number of teams in each conference, and there are no divisions within conferences. Also, all teams must be in a conference (ND). Otherwise there will be "weak" conference bias.

Say, for instance, Florida State goes 12-0, and Duke goes 8-4. Duke's losses are to Florida State, Georgia Tech, and a couple of OOC games, but they win the coastal division. Then they pull an upset in the conference championship game and win. Do you REALLY think that a team that goes 9-5 should get the nod to play for the championship over a team that went 12-1?

It is entirely up to each league how they determine THEIR champion, it doesn't matter how many teams are in the league, how many divisions are in each league, or what their OOC results are. Part of the draw for the basketball tourney is the upsets, the Cinderella teams, I think it would make the sport better to have a Duke in there once in a while. If the sixteen team playoff is implemented, it would allow for six at large teams, which would take in the teams that had a great year but lost the conference championship game, as to ND, who cares, leave them in the dust, if you guys are saying that conference champs from the "group of five" are not deserving because they play in a weak league, why should ND be worthy??????

 

[DBAR4WVU]

Do you REALLY think that a team that goes 9-5 should get the nod to play for the championship over a team that went 12-1?

I guess that depends on who went 9-5 (who would play 14 games prior to the playoffs?) and who went 12-1. So let's say Bama went 9-3 and Marshall winds up 11-1. Who do you think get the nod to move forward? Who would be ranked higher?

 

[4down20]

Do you really think I believe I'm gonna change your mind?

You're a Bammer... of course you feel your team deserved to play for the MNC. You throw out all of your other arguments regarding the meaning of the regular season in doing so. But... hey... you still got the crystal... right?

Seriously doubt it, considering I've heard all the arguments 1000 times. I would just hope you could get the facts straight.

And honestly, I wouldn't have complained if OkSt had went instead. But remember this voters and other methods - not Alabama fans, put Alabama in that game. And then Alabama went on to prove they deserved it.

 

[4down20]

I guess that depends on who went 9-5 (who would play 14 games prior to the playoffs?) and who went 12-1. So let's say Bama went 9-3 and Marshall winds up 11-1. Who do you think get the nod to move forward? Who would be ranked higher?

Bama would be ranked higher and neither would deserve to move forward.

However, if you want specific examples that are real, Wisconsin won the Big10 championship with a 7-5 record in 2012. They weren't even ranked. They beat 10-2 #12 Nebraska 70-31.

They actually finished 3rd in their division, but Ohio St and Penn St were under sanctions and couldn't be in the game. So Wisconsin instead went and got that oh so meaningful title of "Conference Champion".

 

[4down20]

Btw, since rematches are so terrible, if it comes down that Alabama wins the SEC, and WVU wins the Big12 and the committee decides that WVU is the 4th best team and makes the playoff - will you guys complain about the system being screwed up, and claim that WVU shouldn't be in the playoffs because of a rematch?

 

[bbwvfan]

There have been numerous posts comparing to NFL and Basketball, so what's the difference?

The difference is that this was a discussion about the BCS. I could give a damn about how many posts you've sorted through making worthless comparisons. None of them apply to this topic…

 

[bbwvfan]

Bama would be ranked higher and neither would deserve to move forward.

However, if you want specific examples that are real, Wisconsin won the Big10 championship with a 7-5 record in 2012. They weren't even ranked. They beat 10-2 #12 Nebraska 70-31.

They actually finished 3rd in their division, but Ohio St and Penn St were under sanctions and couldn't be in the game. So Wisconsin instead went and got that oh so meaningful title of "Conference Champion".

There is no confusion about the facts on my part. I follow college football as a rabid fan. I participated on many a thread on different sites discussing the BCS outcome in 2011. I remember the facts all too well…

The fact that Bama won a rematch… in no way proves they deserved it. Their loss to LSU during the regular season proved they did not…

 

[4down20]

There is no confusion about the facts on my part. I follow college football as a rabid fan. I participated on many a thread on different sites discussing the BCS outcome in 2011. I remember the facts all too well…

The fact that Bama won a rematch… in no way proves they deserved it. Their loss to LSU during the regular season proved they did not…

And the people that count disagreed. So I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

As pointed out by the playoff committee last night, the playoffs and the reason they were formed also disagree.

 

[bbwvfan]

Btw, since rematches are so terrible, if it comes down that Alabama wins the SEC, and WVU wins the Big12 and the committee decides that WVU is the 4th best team and makes the playoff - will you guys complain about the system being screwed up, and claim that WVU shouldn't be in the playoffs because of a rematch?

WTF…

Are we talking about the current state of college football? Isn't it understood that we have a playoff system in place?

The discussion is whether a rematch should have occurred in 2011… right? The SEC lobbied hard to make sure one did not happen in 2006. Many a Big 10 fan was pissed that UofM was not given a rematch after losing on the road by 3 points. The SEC would have gone into meltdown… they were all crying Big 10 bias.

 

[4down20]

WTF…

Are we talking about the current state of college football? Isn't it understood that we have a playoff system in place?

The discussion is whether a rematch should have occurred in 2011… right? The SEC lobbied hard to make sure one did not happen in 2006. Many a Big 10 fan was pissed that UofM was not given a rematch after losing on the road by 3 points. The SEC would have gone into meltdown… they were all crying Big 10 bias.

The discussion was about rematches in general. So feel free to answer the question I gave.

But as for 2006 - The SEC was in favor of a playoff then, and the Big10 voted it down.

 

[bbwvfan]

And the people that count disagreed. So I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

As pointed out by the playoff committee last night, the playoffs and the reason they were formed also disagree.

Of course we're gonna disagree.

But, the people that count… changed how they're conducting business. So… they definitely disagreed with placing Bama into the BCS game.

We have no idea if the playoff committee supports your argument. We have not reached the end of the season. I know they will put the 4 best teams in the playoffs. I have no problem if those 4 consist of 2 SEC teams… or 2 teams from any other conference that are found deserving.

Among one of the selection committees hard points of consideration… they will favor conference champions.

From the college football playoff website…

College Football Playoff

What criteria will the selection committee use to rank the teams?
The committee will select the teams using a process that distinguishes among otherwise comparable teams by considering conference championships won, strength of schedule, head-to-head competition, comparative outcomes of common opponents (without incenting margin of victory) and other relevant factors that may have affected a team’s performance during the season or likely will affect its postseason performance.

Selection committee members will have flexibility to examine whatever data they believe is relevant to inform their decisions. They will also review a significant amount of game video. Among the many factors the committee will consider are win-loss record, strength of schedule, head-to-head results, comparison of results against common opponents and conference championships won. The playoff group has retained SportSource Analytics to provide the data platform for the committee’s use. This platform will allow the committee members to compare and contrast teams on every level possible. Each member will evaluate the data at hand, and then the individuals will vote to produce a group decision.

So… the first statement made regarding selection criteria rankings is conference championships won. Looks like 2011 made a huge impact…

 

[bbwvfan]

The discussion was about rematches in general. So feel free to answer the question I gave.

But as for 2006 - The SEC was in favor of a playoff then, and the Big10 voted it down.

Do you know why the Big 10 voted it down?

To answer your question… yes… I would love to see WVU have a rematch w/ Bama. Probably won't happen in the college playoff system… but, maybe we get you in the Sugar Bowl.

 

[4down20]

Do you know why the Big 10 voted it down?

To answer your question… yes… I would love to see WVU have a rematch w/ Bama. Probably won't happen in the college playoff system… but, maybe we get you in the Sugar Bowl.

Yeah, the Pac12 and Big10 were more worried about protecting the Rose Bowl over everything else. No clue why the Big12 was against it.