Was trading Russell Wilson a good idea?

[MrS]

Rams rumored to be interested in claiming mayfield. Not sure if thats good or bad for them.

 

[Anointed One]

Rams rumored to be interested in claiming mayfield. Not sure if thats good or bad for them.

Good for us because as it seems right now - he's not a very good NFL QB...

 

[DHoey]

Rams rumored to be interested in claiming mayfield. Not sure if thats good or bad for them.

They need a QB next year.....

 

[MrS]

Good for us because as it seems right now - he's not a very good NFL QB...

But we need them to beat the broncos

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

I'm fine taking Stroud, Carter, or Anderson if we have the top 3... we currently do and the Broncos schedule is not looking easy with the Chiefs twice, the Chargers, a Rams team that might get healthy, and the Cards who generally play Wilson pretty well... Chargers/Chiefs are still very much in a playoff race and with as competitive as the AFC is, very good chance neither team is sitting players.

If one of those 3 isn't available and we are drafting #4 or 5, IMO trade down. I think Stroud is hands down the best QB in this class, and Carter/Anderson are far and away a step above the other DL/EDGE rushers. If those options aren't there move down and try to acquire another 2nd or 2024 1st. That said, if we have the #3 or higher overall we're guaranteed to get one of those guys. Pull the trigger on one... because that's the only rare talent I see in this class that's worth a top 10.

 

[WizardHawk]

 

[MrS]

Espn has our chances much higher. It all hinges on the broncos rams matchup.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

Espn has our chances much higher. It all hinges on the broncos rams matchup.

Going to be annoyed if we have a top 3 pick and pass on whichever of Carter/Anderson or Stroud fall to us.

 

[seattlefan75]

My question about Jalen Carter is how he is supposed to be this great player in the trenches but who does he compare to? I wouldn't say Aaron Donald because that man is probably the best DT to ever play the game. Is a guy that "plays well against the run" averaging 4 sacks a season worth being drafted top 5?

 

[MrS]

Good news for wilson, his trade is no longer the worst one in sports history.

biden just traded a russian arms dealer for a wnba player.

 

[blstoker]

Good news for wilson, his trade is no longer the worst one in sports history.

biden just traded a russian arms dealer for a wnba player.

I know people keep saying that Russell's was the worst trade ever, but I still have to think it was the Herschel Walker deal.

 

[MrS]

I know people keep saying that Russell's was the worst trade ever, but I still have to think it was the Herschel Walker deal.

I was trying to be funny

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

My question about Jalen Carter is how he is supposed to be this great player in the trenches but who does he compare to? I wouldn't say Aaron Donald because that man is probably the best DT to ever play the game. Is a guy that "plays well against the run" averaging 4 sacks a season worth being drafted top 5?

I've seen Quinnen Williams' name pop up quite a bit in comparison

In hindsight would I spend a top 3 on Quinnen Williams today? Yes. He's been a major reason the Jets D is so good.

In hindsight would people trade up to the #1 overall and give up our 2nd 1st for a guaranteed Aaron Donald? Yes. And agree with you Donald may be the best DT of all time (not often when a DT literally wins you the Super Bowl since Ramsey's overrated/spent ass fell down).. few analysts are going to compare any draft pick to Aaron Donald... And Aaron wasn't even a top 10 pick.

I think I'd rather have Anderson and Stroud over Carter, but if Carter is there at #3 or #4, you take him. I see a big dropoff of talent after Anderson/Stroud/Carter. So if we're drafting #4 and those three are gone, I'd try to trade down. Only thing I could stand at #4 is drafting a QB and that would need to be Schneider's decision because it seems like the guy has been very high on quarterbacks that have turned out elite or on a HOF trajectory.

Seattle needs EDGE, QB (potentially) and DT help. If we're drafting top 3, the best talent at all those positions is available and the talent available is far and away better than anything (at least at the time of the draft... but it's all you can go on) after that. There's no DT near as good as Carter, I think the other QBs projected to go in the 1st are well below Stroud, and there's no EDGE on the same level as Anderson.

 

[MrS]

I've seen Quinnen Williams' name pop up quite a bit in comparison

In hindsight would I spend a top 3 on Quinnen Williams today? Yes. He's been a major reason the Jets D is so good.

In hindsight would people trade up to the #1 overall and give up our 2nd 1st for a guaranteed Aaron Donald? Yes. And agree with you Donald may be the best DT of all time (not often when a DT literally wins you the Super Bowl since Ramsey's overrated/spent ass fell down).. few analysts are going to compare any draft pick to Aaron Donald... And Aaron wasn't even a top 10 pick.

I think I'd rather have Anderson and Stroud over Carter, but if Carter is there at #3 or #4, you take him. I see a big dropoff of talent after Anderson/Stroud/Carter. So if we're drafting #4 and those three are gone, I'd try to trade down. Only thing I could stand at #4 is drafting a QB and that would need to be Schneider's decision because it seems like the guy has been very high on quarterbacks that have turned out elite or on a HOF trajectory.

Seattle needs EDGE, QB (potentially) and DT help. If we're drafting top 3, the best talent at all those positions is available and the talent available is far and away better than anything (at least at the time of the draft... but it's all you can go on) after that. There's no DT near as good as Carter, I think the other QBs projected to go in the 1st are well below Stroud, and there's no EDGE on the same level as Anderson.

I still think it goes
1. Young
2. Stroud

If we are sitting at 3 its very likely some team wants levis and we can drop a few spots. Maybe the lions want to jump up two spots and will give up their second rounder?

Id be totally happy taking the best DL at 3, but there could be a great opportunity to drop one or two spots and collect another high pick.

 

[Anointed One]

Good news for wilson, his trade is no longer the worst one in sports history.

biden just traded a russian arms dealer for a wnba player.

Yeah that pisses me off... Especially since we've had a POW Marine there for 4 years now...

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

I still think it goes
1. Young
2. Stroud

If we are sitting at 3 its very likely some team wants levis and we can drop a few spots. Maybe the lions want to jump up two spots and will give up their second rounder?

Id be totally happy taking the best DL at 3, but there could be a great opportunity to drop one or two spots and collect another high pick.

I mean hey if you could drop to 5 which means the Lions wants Levis and are scared of Carolina taking him, which means either Carter/Anderson are sitting there at #5 and we collect their 42nd overall, yes please.

I wouldn't even be surprised if Young/Stroud are gone if Carolina is willing to negotiate with us to move up one spot for Levis so Detroit doesn't. Although Detroit heavily needs defense. Their offense has been pretty good this year and even Jared Goof has been solid and he's still 28. I really don't want to trade down and not collect Anderson/Carter if he's there at 3... unless some team gives us a kings ransom for Levis because they're scared Carolina will take him.

My philosophy is Carter, Anderson and Stroud are there... you pull the trigger on one of em'. And someone else can please take Young... guy has been sacked 60+ times in College with Alabama's ridiculous talent... and he's 195 lbs soaking wet... only a matter of time before that guy gets injured with how much he's taking hits.

If we resign Smith (which likely means we're passing on QB at least early on) we're not going to be drafting a top 5 talent anytime soon - especially with how shitty the NFC West has become... Carter/Anderson have high potential (and I say potential because that's all you can go off) to be dominant franchise players at arguably the 2nd - DL/EDGE rush (argument is left tackle which we don't need) most important positions in the league. I of course see potential in other guys in this draft, but not to the degree of Carter/Anderson/Stroud.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

Oh and meant to add:

As for the QB position... if Schneider really wants a guy and he's there at #3, I'd just grab him. Schneider grabbed Wilson (amazing QB, just let team 3 go to his head and lost his athleticism), wanted Allen (offered trade to the Browns for #1 overall), and heavily scouted Mahomes. So in John I trust with the QBs... he also would've been heavily involved with drafting Rodgers with GB even though he wasn't an acting GM, but he was basically the second in command to the GM for player personnel. And he also made the decision to skip on all the QBs this year that everyone had Seattle drafting, who have all been atrocious. And Drew Lock was a throw in because Denver didn't need him so don't get me started there.

Not saying he hasn't whiffed... but showed interest or willing to make moves on 4 likely hall of famers (when he had great QBs already on the team, and surprise Geno is not career great, but so far this year he's been pretty great this year)... yah, I'll take my chances if he thinks someone is the guy at #3. And then you can spend money elsewhere in FA. And still leaves you with 3 early picks to snag DL/ILB/EDGE/C/G help.

 

[MrS]

I mean hey if you could drop to 5 which means the Lions wants Levis and are scared of Carolina taking him, which means either Carter/Anderson are sitting there at #5 and we collect their 42nd overall, yes please.

I wouldn't even be surprised if Young/Stroud are gone if Carolina is willing to negotiate with us to move up one spot for Levis so Detroit doesn't. Although Detroit heavily needs defense. Their offense has been pretty good this year and even Jared Goof has been solid and he's still 28. I really don't want to trade down and not collect Anderson/Carter if he's there at 3... unless some team gives us a kings ransom for Levis because they're scared Carolina will take him.

My philosophy is Carter, Anderson and Stroud are there... you pull the trigger on one of em'. And someone else can please take Young... guy has been sacked 60+ times in College with Alabama's ridiculous talent... and he's 195 lbs soaking wet... only a matter of time before that guy gets injured with how much he's taking hits.

If we resign Smith (which likely means we're passing on QB at least early on) we're not going to be drafting a top 5 talent anytime soon - especially with how shitty the NFC West has become... Carter/Anderson have high potential (and I say potential because that's all you can go off) to be dominant franchise players at arguably the 2nd - DL/EDGE rush (argument is left tackle which we don't need) most important positions in the league. I of course see potential in other guys in this draft, but not to the degree of Carter/Anderson/Stroud.

1. Young
2. Stroud
3. Seahawks
4. lions
5. Panthers

In this scenario, if the panthers want a QB and fear the lions will take one, we can still get carter or Anderson and another 2nd. That would be ideal I think.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

1. Young
2. Stroud
3. Seahawks
4. lions
5. Panthers

In this scenario, if the panthers want a QB and fear the lions will take one, we can still get carter or Anderson and another 2nd. That would be ideal I think.

Huge edit:

Didn't read correctly. Yes in your scenario if the Panthers want to jump the Lions for a QB then yes, we should get another 2nd. That said, the Lions are almost assuredly drafting defense... their defense is losing them games. They're nearly top 5 in offense, spent a good chunk of the season injured on offense, and Goff is 28.... If Carter/Anderson are at #4, I'd be absolutely BAFFLED if the Lions took a QB (even if Stroud/Young are available). With the Panthers likely knowing that and if we call them about trading knowing that we aren't taking a QB, I bet they ignore the offer.

Seattle is in an interesting position at #3 though if Stroud or Young falls.... because a lot of teams (Saints, Panthers, Indy) need a QB. I would NOT be willing to trade #3 if Stroud is there to someone else to pick him up. Young? Sure, trade down (assuming you still get Carter/Anderson or just a flat out ridiculous offer).

 

[MrS]

Goff is very meh. if the Lions think an elite QB prospect is within reach and would be an upgrade, they will take him. they also have another 1st for the defense. so its not out of the realm of possibilities they want a QB.

and the panthers have the capital to move up.