Nice article (KIRK COUSINS IS ELITE)

[Stymietee]

I need to make a correction on McCarron... he is a restricted free agent. So to get him will cost us money and draft capitol as we would have to trade to get his rights unless the Bengals some how just decide they dont want him around.

Correct, but that value goes down at the onset of the NFL draft. If the Bengals are going to get best value for him they will have to do so before then.

 

[Sharkinva]

Correct, but that value goes down at the onset of the NFL draft. If the Bengals are going to get best value for him they will have to do so before then.

There in is the fly in the ointment.

We cant seriously make a draft board until we have an idea of what we are going to do at QB. Do you seriously want Bruce deciding at say pick #7, we need to make a move to get a QB.. be it McCarron a trade up or stand pat and draft a QB at 13??

NO later than March 1st they need to have a real idea of WHAT we are doing at QB no question asked. If we are rolling to draft week and we are still saying.. .do we draft a QB, try and trade for McCarron or just play Kirk on the tag (assuming we tag him) we likely have already blown it.

 

[Stymietee]

There in is the fly in the ointment.

We cant seriously make a draft board until we have an idea of what we are going to do at QB. Do you seriously want Bruce deciding at say pick #7, we need to make a move to get a QB.. be it McCarron a trade up or stand pat and draft a QB at 13??

NO later than March 1st they need to have a real idea of WHAT we are doing at QB no question asked. If we are rolling to draft week and we are still saying.. .do we draft a QB, try and trade for McCarron or just play Kirk on the tag (assuming we tag him) we likely have already blown it.

Thought we were talking about McCarron and his limited value to Cincy. Beyond that, It's Washington and Bruce Allen, if the point is not fucking things up further as the draft approaches, I say wanna bet?

 

[Sharkinva]

Thought we were talking about McCarron and his limited value to Cincy. Beyond that, It's Washington and Bruce Allen, if the point is not fucking things up further as the draft approaches, I say wanna bet?

The two are interlinked (thanks to you ) As you threw McCarrons name out there as some one we could consider should they move on from Cousins. If thats the direction they are thinking of going into, that needs to be decided now, so the trade can be made as soon as the league year starts.

In the broader spectrum, the fact that Bruce and Dan are not saying ANYTHING about the situation speaks volumes that they likely still have not decided on a direction.

 

[ehb5]

Other than the fact he got playing time, did he really play that much better than KC? I have shown his stats and they were not good for any year player.

Id say so. KC was throwing picks at an obscene rate his first couple years.

You're holding rookie QBs to a pretty harsh standard if you think bridgewater was worth giving up on.

 

[gkekoa]

Id say so. KC was throwing picks at an obscene rate his first couple years.

You're holding rookie QBs to a pretty harsh standard if you think bridgewater was worth giving up on.

KC first couple of years were relief work. There is a total difference between the preparation and situations KC was put in compared to the situations Bridgewater was a part of.

2012- KC started one game and threw 2TDs and a pick.
2013- KC started three games and threw 4 TDs and 5picks. These were the last three games of the season.
2014- KC started five games and threw 8 TDs and 9 picks.

KC was never the full time guy until 2015.


Teddy is nothing more than Jason Campbell.

 

[ehb5]

KC first couple of years were relief work. There is a total difference between the preparation and situations KC was put in compared to the situations Bridgewater was a part of.

2012- KC started one game and threw 2TDs and a pick.
2013- KC started three games and threw 4 TDs and 5picks. These were the last three games of the season.
2014- KC started five games and threw 8 TDs and 9 picks.

KC was never the full time guy until 2015.


Teddy is nothing more than Jason Campbell.

So? There's really no argument to be made that KC going into year 4 was a better prospect than Bridgewater.

 

[gkekoa]

So? There's really no argument to be made that KC going into year 4 was a better prospect than Bridgewater.

Year 4 as a starter...absolutely.

Bridgewater had as many turnovers as he did TDs. He had this with a superior running game and a far superior defense. You have to look at the situation to understand if an interception is a bad thing or an unforgivable thing. When you are down and trying to come back, an interception isn’t nearly as bad as when you still have the game ahead.

 

[Sharkinva]

So? There's really no argument to be made that KC going into year 4 was a better prospect than Bridgewater.

We will never know what Cousins MIGHT have done if put in the same situation as Bridgewater, Griffin, Wentz or countless other drafted day one starters where the offense and game plan was to some degree or another tailored to the players particular skill set.

We do know that when that did start to happen, and was in full swing from 2015 through now, Cousins has been solid to some times great.

Comparing Cousins to Bridgewater for next year is not fair to either player. Cousins knows this system, but yes he does need better than two project WRs and a RB by bake sale committee to work with.

Bridgewater showed some skill in Minnesota, but its not a given that he will either thrive or fail in the Redskins offense. Bridgewater is younger, but much like Gallette he is coming off an injury so we have zero idea if or how that will affect him, much less if or how he will adapt to the Redskins offense.

Bottom line, any one other than Cousins means we are starting from scratch and hoping for the best.

Keeping Cousins mean we are paying a premium and hoping we can improve in other areas.

And god help us if we decide we need to trade up... then... we are foucked.

 

[ehb5]

Year 4 as a starter...absolutely.

Bridgewater had as many turnovers as he did TDs. He had this with a superior running game and a far superior defense. You have to look at the situation to understand if an interception is a bad thing or an unforgivable thing. When you are down and trying to come back, an interception isn’t nearly as bad as when you still have the game ahead.

He also had it in an offense he didn't fit into with no receivers and a bad Oline. Cousins 4th year starting is next season. I don't see how that's very relevant to where Bridgewater is at.

 

[skinsdad62]

what was tedy asked to do in minnesota ? that should shed some light on it .

tedy has warts but he is a young stop gap type not an answer long term

 

[gkekoa]

He also had it in an offense he didn't fit into with no receivers and a bad Oline. Cousins 4th year starting is next season. I don't see how that's very relevant to where Bridgewater is at.

I know he is going into year 4 as a starter. That is why I used year 4.

Was TB’s OL bad? There rush offense was very good to good.

2014- Greg Jennings, Kyle Rudolph, and Adam Thielen.

2015- Adam Thielen, Stephon Diggd, Kyle Rudolph, and Mike Wallace

Perhaps those WRs didn’t look good because their QB sucked.

 

[ehb5]

what was tedy asked to do in minnesota ? that should shed some light on it .

tedy has warts but he is a young stop gap type not an answer long term

Basically asked to play in a vertical offense with bad receivers and a bad pass blocking o line when Bridgewater would fit much more in a gruden style offense. His biggest weakness is being a downfield thrower which is what norv Turner wanted him to do.

 

[ehb5]

I know he is going into year 4 as a starter. That is why I used year 4.

Was TB’s OL bad? There rush offense was very good to good.

2014- Greg Jennings, Kyle Rudolph, and Adam Thielen.

2015- Adam Thielen, Stephon Diggd, Kyle Rudolph, and Mike Wallace

Perhaps those WRs didn’t look good because their QB sucked.

Right but that's not relevant to where TB is at right now. Obviously cousins is further ahead.

Yes it was bad. Their rush offense wasn't even good until 2015 when arguably the best RB ever returned.

Also I love how you mention Adam thielen and act like TB was holding him back. Not that you know...he wasn't actually getting on the field over the Vikings actual receivers in jairus Wright and cordarelle Patterson. So much for facts.

 

[Sportster 72]

Basically asked to play in a vertical offense with bad receivers and a bad pass blocking o line when Bridgewater would fit much more in a gruden style offense. His biggest weakness is being a downfield thrower which is what norv Turner wanted him to do.

If you can't work with Norv you might be Heath Shuler. Norv was a lousy HC but a very good OC, play caller and made a lot of QBs and offenses better.

 

[gkekoa]

Right but that's not relevant to where TB is at right now. Obviously cousins is further ahead.

Yes it was bad. Their rush offense wasn't even good until 2015 when arguably the best RB ever returned.

Also I love how you mention Adam thielen and act like TB was holding him back. Not that you know...he wasn't actually getting on the field over the Vikings actual receivers in jairus Wright and cordarelle Patterson. So much for facts.

Your quote from post 107...There's really no argument to be made that KC going into year 4 was a better prospect than Bridgewater.

Pesky little facts...2014 Minnesota was 14 in rushing, and tied for tenth in YPA. 2015 Minnesota was fourth in rushing and tied for third in YPA.

I actually do know Thielen wasn’t getting on the field. I was told the players around TB weren’t very good. I was saying perhaps TB made them look bad. It is funny that TB stops being the QB in 2016 and Thielen takes off...I do realize opportunity is the key.

 

[BeaReylo]

Kirk Cousins’s nerdiness makes him an ideal franchise QB

 

[Breed]

I know he is going into year 4 as a starter. That is why I used year 4.

Was TB’s OL bad? There rush offense was very good to good.

2014- Greg Jennings, Kyle Rudolph, and Adam Thielen.

2015- Adam Thielen, Stephon Diggd, Kyle Rudolph, and Mike Wallace

Perhaps those WRs didn’t look good because their QB sucked.

I agree that Kirk is a better QB than Bridgewater, but some of the players named above, Thielen and Rudolph, while having big years this year, weren't really on anyone's radar until this year. Gennings was also trending downwards when he went to Minny and Wallace was only there for a year I believe.

 

[gkekoa]

I agree that Kirk is a better QB than Bridgewater, but some of the players named above, Thielen and Rudolph, while having big years this year, weren't really on anyone's radar until this year. Gennings was also trending downwards when he went to Minny and Wallace was only there for a year I believe.

Rudolph was a baller back in 2012 with 9 TDs.

I agree that Jennings and Wallace were nothing special but they were good players in the right systems with a different QB.

I agree Thielen was never on anybody’s radar and that isn’t the fault of TB. That is the fault of the coaches. I do find it interesting that Thielen’s emergence coincided with the departure of TB.

 

[Rowdy]

I view TB as I do Winston. The football media has tried to hype these two up and I just never bought into it. Should the coach think he could make it work with TB, I’d put my trust in him to do it, but if it failed it’d be his ass