Wiggys Hopes and Dreams

[WiggyRuss]

You have IHOP on annual all star level.
I'll bet you anything you'd like he's not in this years game.
If you won't take the bet, then you've proven you don't believe your list.

yah Thomas might barely be back before the all star break. wtf are you talking about? lol

the guy was 2nd team all NBA last year. To drop him anywhere lower than where I had him would have been ridiculous after making 2nd team all nba.

I wonder when the next time the Heat get a guy that makes an All-NBA team. Probably be YEARS- esp. with no cap room and shitty draft assets.

 

[Heatles84]

What's funny is the person calling out Wiggy for his obsession is the same one who has been obsessed with you and glance. they must live in their own little twilight zone

They do, I have their pussies shook.

 

[Heatles84]

lol..

dude- you can find nice quotes about just about ANYONE i nthe entire league

you want me to find some ones about Tristan Thompson?

and cite those as evidence he is better than a guy like Gobert?

laughable.

a joke and laughable.

hey--- as i said- Miami doesnt suck- they arent good-- but they dont suck

a nice, decent team- capped out, least draft assets in the league, no premier talent....finished somewhere between 6th and 10th in the East...some where betweeen 36 and 45 games depending on luck, injuries etc.........a snowballs chance in hell of getting out of the first round

hey- i know thats cool with you-- ENJOY. lol.

Is Thompson a Kardashian yet? Asking for a friend.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Is Thompson a Kardashian yet? Asking for a friend.

Hey....none of that is going to change the fact that the Cavs are awesome and the Heat are irrelevant.

Sorry.

 

[Heatles84]

Hey....none of that is going to change the fact that the Cavs are awesome and the Heat are irrelevant.

Sorry.

You think so? That Kardashian curse is the equivalent of full blown AIDS.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

lol..

dude- you can find nice quotes about just about ANYONE i nthe entire league

you want me to find some ones about Tristan Thompson?

and cite those as evidence he is better than a guy like Gobert?

laughable.

a joke and laughable.

hey--- as i said- Miami doesnt suck- they arent good-- but they dont suck

a nice, decent team- capped out, least draft assets in the league, no premier talent....finished somewhere between 6th and 10th in the East...some where betweeen 36 and 45 games depending on luck, injuries etc.........a snowballs chance in hell of getting out of the first round

hey- i know thats cool with you-- ENJOY. lol.

"Nice quotes"?
You better go back and re read.
He was called best shot blocker in the league, playing as well as any C in the league, etc..
Like I've been saying and will continue to say, they are both very good and near even.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

yah Thomas might barely be back before the all star break. wtf are you talking about? lol

the guy was 2nd team all NBA last year. To drop him anywhere lower than where I had him would have been ridiculous after making 2nd team all nba.

I wonder when the next time the Heat get a guy that makes an All-NBA team. Probably be YEARS- esp. with no cap room and shitty draft assets.

He has a much better chance to never play a game in a Cavs uniform then he does to make the ASG.
Maybe make another list with 'would be good if didn't have major injury'.

 

[WiggyRuss]

He has a much better chance to never play a game in a Cavs uniform then he does to make the ASG.
Maybe make another list with 'would be good if didn't have major injury'.

when do ya think they get their next All NBA player?

within the next half decade?

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

when do ya think they get their next All NBA player?

within the next half decade?

Not a big concern with the roster we have.
Ultimate team ball.
All Nba guarantees what?
Wasnt A.D. first team last year?
Added Cousins and still couldnt sniff playoffs.

 

[wildturkey]

oh it can be "noisy" no doubt

and as i said - NBA advanced stats- are definitely not definitive.


when you have trends that occur in 3 straight years though- that usually tells you something


the quote:

On/off court splits can be noisy, but this is now three straight seasons in which Miami's defense has posted a better defensive rating with it's anchor on the bench rather than on the floor.



once okay- could be a fluke....twice...coincedence? prob not, but sure--- maybe.....three seasons in a row?

When it happens 3 seasons in a row the "noise" begins to fade away- and you just have the truth.


Whiteside is a lot closer to Jonas Valunciunas and Marcin Gortat and Dwight Howard---- then to actual elite players like Marc Gasol, DeMarcus Cousins, Rudy Gobert, etc.----- he is Shareef Abdul Rahim- a stat stuffer that just doesnt help you win.

Its really hard for a center that (i) cant pass, (ii) cant shoot, and (iii) cant guard the perimeter, to have a substantial impact in todays pace and space shooting NBA. Whiteside is one of those guys who cant do any of those 3 things. Hes terrible at them.

1 year could be a fluke i guess
2 years could be a coincedence i guess
3 years is awful hard to just brush away as bullshit---- but thats what the flamingo's around here like to do- put their head in the sand.

His line up defensive rating, his personal rating and his defensive win shares are the same this year (great with him on the floor, top 5 in the league, top 5 in the league) as they were the previous year. The year before that, he had a limited role in his first year with the Heat bouncing around in line ups as they found how to use him. But that's still two full seasons of multiple stats show his defensive prowess even on top of the three seasons of the on/off stat. So the logical conclusion there would be that the on/off stat is messy and an outlier. Multiple measurements over a large sample size say the same thing, one stat over that same sample size says other wise. Stats 101, its an outlier. That's not something to hang your hat on. It's something to question

Also, could you at least link to said stat and not quote the clip from the column which didn't bother to show the stat? The quote is messy itself because it seems to be confusing BPM with Defensive RTG because all the defensive rtg stats on NBA.com favor Whiteside.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

His line up defensive rating, his personal rating and his defensive win shares are the same this year (great with him on the floor, top 5 in the league, top 5 in the league) as they were the previous year. The year before that, he had a limited role in his first year with the Heat bouncing around in line ups as they found how to use him. But that's still two full seasons of multiple stats show his defensive prowess even on top of the three seasons of the on/off stat. So the logical conclusion there would be that the on/off stat is messy and an outlier. Multiple measurements over a large sample size say the same thing, one stat over that same sample size says other wise. Stats 101, its an outlier. That's not something to hang your hat on. It's something to question

Also, could you at least link to said stat and not quote the clip from the column which didn't bother to show the stat? The quote is messy itself because it seems to be confusing BPM with Defensive RTG because all the defensive rtg stats on NBA.com favor Whiteside.

Please call the medics for @WiggyRuss.
What a pummeling.
You lose him when you state "logical conclusion".

 

[WiggyRuss]

Please call the medics for @WiggyRuss.
What a pummeling.
You lose him when you state "logical conclusion".

LOL...

you need to find some sand you can put your head in ASAP.


honestly...I cant think of a team in a worse position in the whole league outside of the Nets and maybe Atlanta (though Atlanta will actually have a really good shot at a true franchise guy like Bagley or Porter).

As i have been saying:

Miami is:

(i) a mediocre team in the East. Worst place is to be in the middle- and its exactly where they are--- best case 6th seed, worst case about 10th i would say. A snowballs chance in hell of making it out of the first round.

(ii) no cap room anytime soon- and not one guy on a "steal" contract like a Jae Crowder with the Cavs. A lot of guys on market/above market long-term deals in a league with a cap that is flattening out. Not good. lol.

(iii) easily the worst collection of draft assets in the league. Owe out AT LEAST there next 4 2nd rounders. And still owe 2 first rounders that are VERY lightly protected to the Phoenix Suns for Dragic. (example of how Riley wanted to push the buck to his successor)

(iv) No star power what so ever.

(v) a center who is more interested in his stats than actually winning who is prone to mental lapses.

(vi) a sg who is only happy when he is "the man"- but hes not good enough to be "the man" on any kind of real team.

(vii) extremely weak, in relation to the rest of the East, at the small forward and power forward units. Small forward in particular is really weak.

(viii) a team President working on borrowed time who's lost his touch. No longer able to woo major free agents. Have to settle for 3rd or 4th tier free agents like Kelly Olnyk.

 

[Mebert]

I personally would take Gobert without question, but I don't think the gap is all that large between the two. Whiteside is without question the better rebounder, but the couple of points for Whiteside are purely based on shot attempts. Gobert took a career high attempts last year and it was 2 less than Whitesides average.

This year will give us a much better comparison between the two I think, Gobert is going to have to have more focus on offense and I am willing to bet the results will be similar to Whiteside.

Head to head Gobert has the advantage, but it is close.

 

[WiggyRuss]

NBA: Isaiah Thomas Trolls Former Teammate as He Promises Championship Ring in First Year at Cavs

IT is (a) in a contract year, (b) playing for the best team he has ever played for, (c) knows that he will be playing for that ring.

Like Irving a couple years ago- lets just hope that DROSE can hold down the fort for a month or two until IT is ready to role.

Getting Dwade would help too---- him and LeBron can of course make plays for other guys. Should be plenty of playmakers to


that- and I think we are going to see a hungry LeBron.

Its hard to win an MVP when you have a teammate scoring 25 points a game, and then have another teammate going for 18 and 10. It just really isnt that feasible.


This year though? We are gonna see The King go for that 5th MVP....which would tie him with Bird and Magic- COMBINED.

LeBron is gonna get his 5th MVP, gonna get his 4th ring this year. The Cavs never totally seemed to be on the same page, and hungry last year. Irving obviously had already made up his mind that he wanted his own team and to step out of the shadow of the King. I am sure there was a hangover from the previous year.

Now you add guys that are hungry. You get a super-motivated LeBron

Cant wait for this season to start. Should be fucking awesome!!!!!!

 

[WiggyRuss]

I personally would take Gobert without question, but I don't think the gap is all that large between the two. Whiteside is without question the better rebounder, but the couple of points for Whiteside are purely based on shot attempts. Gobert took a career high attempts last year and it was 2 less than Whitesides average.

This year will give us a much better comparison between the two I think, Gobert is going to have to have more focus on offense and I am willing to bet the results will be similar to Whiteside.

Head to head Gobert has the advantage, but it is close.
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well also- think of who Whiteside is competing for rebounds with. lol.......the rest of the Heats front court is basura rebounding wise- esp. last year.

I mean- if I WAS playing with Luke Babbit and James Johnson I could prob pull down double digit rebounds...esp. on such a poor offensive team.


ya think Whiteside is getting 14 rebounds a game if hes playing with Derek FAvors and Gordon Hayward? cmon now.

 

[WiggyRuss]

I personally would take Gobert without question, but I don't think the gap is all that large between the two. Whiteside is without question the better rebounder, but the couple of points for Whiteside are purely based on shot attempts. Gobert took a career high attempts last year and it was 2 less than Whitesides average.

This year will give us a much better comparison between the two I think, Gobert is going to have to have more focus on offense and I am willing to bet the results will be similar to Whiteside.

Head to head Gobert has the advantage, but it is close.
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yah Gobert shot an INSANE 66.1% from the field. I like that he knows himself, knows his strengths, weaknesses, and plays a team game. Hes not out for himself and stats like Blancote.

 

[Mebert]

well also- think of who Whiteside is competing for rebounds with. lol.......the rest of the Heats front court is basura rebounding wise- esp. last year.

I mean- if I WAS playing with Luke Babbit and James Johnson I could prob pull down double digit rebounds...esp. on such a poor offensive team.


ya think Whiteside is getting 14 rebounds a game if hes playing with Derek FAvors and Gordon Hayward? cmon now.

Favors missed half the season last year and was on a minutes restriction when he did play. The starting 4 next to Gobert his year was mostly Diaw or Joe Johnson. Hayward grabs some, but he is nothing special on rebounding. I don't think you can use that as an excuse. Playing at the slowest pace in basketball could account for some, but head to head Whiteside maintained the rebounding advantage

 

[WiggyRuss]

Favors missed half the season last year and was on a minutes restriction when he did play. The starting 4 next to Gobert his year was mostly Diaw or Joe Johnson. Hayward grabs some, but he is nothing special on rebounding. I don't think you can use that as an excuse. Playing at the slowest pace in basketball could account for some, but head to head Whiteside maintained the rebounding advantage

I mean...Hayward would have led everyone else on the Heat in rebounding other than Whiteside.....

You look at a team like the Cavs- who had 3 of the top 15 rebounders in the league--- which is unheard of.

The next best rebounder on the Heat was James Johnson at 4.9 a game- which is the lowest in the entire league for a 2nd rebounder. --- and that 4.9 was his career high.

I mean- SOMEONE has to grab rebounds---- and if you are playing with Luke Babbit, James Johnson, Rodney McGruder, Willie Reed, Derrick Williams, Okaro White, Udonis Haslem, J. Winslow (before he got hurt)- and the other assorted garbage the Heat had at the PF and SF position last year----- you BETTER grab a ton of rebounds.

 

[Mebert]

I mean...Hayward would have led everyone else on the Heat in rebounding other than Whiteside.....

You look at a team like the Cavs- who had 3 of the top 15 rebounders in the league--- which is unheard of.

The next best rebounder on the Heat was James Johnson at 4.9 a game- which is the lowest in the entire league for a 2nd rebounder. --- and that 4.9 was his career high.

I mean- SOMEONE has to grab rebounds---- and if you are playing with Luke Babbit, James Johnson, Rodney McGruder, Willie Reed, Derrick Williams, Okaro White, Udonis Haslem, J. Winslow (before he got hurt)- and the other assorted garbage the Heat had at the PF and SF position last year----- you BETTER grab a ton of rebounds.

I don't know man, I feel like you are looking for something that is not there. Looking below neither team can rebound outside of the center. Utah has a slight advantage at 2 and 3, Heat have better rebounders at every position after that.
Jazz: Heat:

 

[WiggyRuss]

I don't know man, I feel like you are looking for something that is not there. Looking below neither team can rebound outside of the center. Utah has a slight advantage at 2 and 3, Heat have better rebounders at every position after that.
Jazz: Heat:
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I am just saying that- the Heat's 2nd best rebounder last year was James Johnson.

he averaged a career high 4.9 rebounds- for 2nd best on the team.

I could see why- on a team like the Cavs- it would be near impossible for a guy to average 14 rebounds a game. When you have 3 of the top 15 rebounders in the league like Tristan, Love and LeBron- there are just not enough to go around.

I mean, Thompson averaged 9.2 rebounds per game, LeBron averaged 8.6 rpg, and Love averaged 11.1 rebounds per game. If you switched Love and LeBron with James Johnson and whatever combo of scrubs the Heat played at SF last year (Winslow before getting hurt, McGruder, etc. whoever)----- TT is going to average a LOT more than 9.2 rebounds per game.

When you are competing for rebounds with the pupu platter of Okaro White, Willie Reed, James Johnson, Derrick Williams, Rodny McGruder, Justice Winslow, Luke Babbit, and Udonis Haslem------ none of which are near above average players (let alone average players) it shouldnt be that difficult to pull down double digit boards.

its the kind of unit that allows James Johnson to have a career high in rebounds DESPITE playing with the "best" rebounder in the NBA.

plus, Utah took about 6 less shots per game than Miami as well.