Wiggys Hopes and Dreams

[TurnUpTheHeat]

Pretty much every post that @WiggyRuss makes can be moved here.
Plus it can be a good forum to shred him without having to spam up legit threads.&

 

[Black Adam]

I like it...

 

[trojanfan12]

lol

 

[Mecca]

 

[HurricaneDij39]

Bow down to Wiggy.

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

Bow down to Wiggy.

You need to get laid, tons-o-fun!

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

Gobert is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY better than Whiteside. Please dont be a fool.

@WiggyRuss

Last 2 seasons per 36

Player A: FG% .606, .557 FT% .650, .628 REBOUNDS 14.7, 15.6 Assists 0.5, 0.3 Blocks 4.6, 2.3 Points 17.6, 18.8

Player B: FG% .559, .653 FT% .569, .653 REBOUNDS 12.4, 13.6, Assists 1.7, 1.3 Blocks 2.5, 2.8 Points 10.4, 14.9


Who you taking?

These interesting questions that Wiggy will find a way to not answer.

@WiggyRuss
Back in hiding?
Player A or B and why?
Cant wait to hear why Gobert is waaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyy better.

Then, lets not forget actual size and strength.
Whiteside could break Gobert in half like a cheap pretzel.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Bow down to Wiggy.

I own this guy so bad mentally.

lol.....it just makes it that much more fun that the Cavs are awesome and the Heat suck.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Pretty much every post that @WiggyRuss makes can be moved here.
Plus it can be a good forum to shred him without having to spam up legit threads.&

here is prob my favorite for ya. lol

a. the Heat have the worst collection of draft assets in the NBA- nothing to attach to contracts to entice teams to take anyone

b. its not like anyone is signed to a "steal" contract like a Jae Crowder that another team would actually covet

c. most of the cap room in the NBA is drying up with the cap flattening out. Its going to be hard to find teams to take on substantial money

d. the Heat would have to move multiple guys to open up serious cap room unless it was a whiteside or dragic

e. tyler johnson is going to jump to 19M a year - thats atrocious



the Heat are getting to be a very expensive, very mediocre team- with no kind of draft capital to trade, and tons of mediocre players on long term market/above market contracts.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

here is prob my favorite for ya. lol

a. the Heat have the worst collection of draft assets in the NBA- nothing to attach to contracts to entice teams to take anyone

b. its not like anyone is signed to a "steal" contract like a Jae Crowder that another team would actually covet

c. most of the cap room in the NBA is drying up with the cap flattening out. Its going to be hard to find teams to take on substantial money

d. the Heat would have to move multiple guys to open up serious cap room unless it was a whiteside or dragic

e. tyler johnson is going to jump to 19M a year - thats atrocious



the Heat are getting to be a very expensive, very mediocre team- with no kind of draft capital to trade, and tons of mediocre players on long term market/above market contracts.

Kind of like what Boston had to do to sign Hayward, who isnt even close to elite.

Anyway, thanks for avoiding the actual discussion but using your hope and dream thread for just that.

#keephopinganddreaming

 

[WiggyRuss]

Kind of like what Boston had to do to sign Hayward, who isnt even close to elite.

Anyway, thanks for avoiding the actual discussion but using your hope and dream thread for just that.

#keephopinganddreaming

Hayward would easily be the Heat's best player. Easily a top 30 guy. Thats why they pulled out all the stops to sign him

unfortunately for the Heat- he wanted to win.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

Hayward would easily be the Heat's best player. Easily a top 30 guy. Thats why they pulled out all the stops to sign him

unfortunately for the Heat- he wanted to win.

He might have become the best player on the roster, but if you had to lose 3 core players to sign him the team would have became much worse.

Celts lost some nice players.
I doubt they are a better team this year then they were last year.

As far as top 30, where are Cousins and A.D. again?
What's up with that?

Gobert vs Whiteside answer coming soon?

 

[WiggyRuss]

Where SI ranked, what they said, about both players.

15. RUDY GOBERT, JAZZ
While the basketball intelligentsia now unanimously views Gobert (14 PPG, 12.8 RPG, 2.6 BPG) as one of the league’s elite defensive players, numerous statistical measures consider him one of the league’s elite players, period. The NBA’s leading shot-blocker and Defensive Player of the Year runner-up rebounded from a knee injury that marred his 2015-16 season to deliver a career year across the board in 2016-17. The 25-year-old center helped lead the Jazz to their first playoff series win since 2010 and set new career-highs in scoring, rebounds, blocks, and FG% while ranking second league-wide in Win Shares and eighth in both Real Plus-Minus and WARP. All things considered, Gobert was 2017’s biggest All-Star snub.

Gobert’s development as an ultra-efficient pick-and-roll target aided his ascension. Not only did the Stifle Tower improve Utah’s No. 3 ranked defensive efficiency by 6.9 points when he took the court, he upped the Jazz’s improved offense by 4.1 points too. Although his range is strictly tied to the paint and his ball skills are limited, Gobert’s finishing ability and commitment to pursuing second-chance points will make him a key prong in Utah’s team-based approach to replacing Gordon Hayward’s offense. More importantly, Gobert’s proven ability to lead an elite defense, regardless of how many of his teammates might be injured at any given moment, makes him the best reason to believe in Utah’s post-Hayward chances. The Jazz might have lost their top scorer this summer, but they retained their most indispensable all-around player. — BG

34. HASSAN WHITESIDE, HEAT
What makes Whiteside so much of a problem now is the very thing that kept him hovering around the NBA in spite of all his blunders: He’s just an enormous human being. It’s not until you see Whiteside fighting for a rebound against some other, appropriately sized center that his advantage is thrown into stark relief. There are seven-footers, and then there are bouncy seven-footers with a 7’7’’ wingspan. Bigs who otherwise have the size to dominate games in their own right can be seen draped over Whiteside as he goes to his hook shot, hopeless to reach it.

This remains the primary mechanism for Whiteside’s success—and it is considerable. His post moves aren’t especially varied or creative, but they work to a point. His dominance of the defensive glass comes through committed work, though it’s anchored by the fact that Whiteside will always be able to pull in misses that no one else can. Even his defense hinges on his reach. There is both something special about Whiteside’s capacity to alter shots and something limiting in the way he completely relies on it. Something will always be lost when a player like Whiteside turns the ball over as often as he does or hamstrings his team by only wanting to defend in his block-happy way. It’s a testament to his standing, however, that those qualities have become mere caveats. — RM

 

[WiggyRuss]

hmmmm....i swear i have heard that before

"or hamstrings his team by only wanting to defend in his block-happy way".....where i have heard that before...

lol

 

[WiggyRuss]

Here is ESPN- who also just put out there top 100, where they rank, and what they say about each player


14. Rudy Gobert
Stats & Info: Nobody protects the paint quite like Gobert, who contested a league-high 10.2 shots at the rim per game last season. Though Draymond Green won NBA Defensive Player of the Year, it was Gobert who led the league in defensive real plus-minus, finishing with the best mark by any player over the past three seasons.


41. Hassan Whiteside
Stats & Info: Whiteside remains somewhat of an enigma. Though he once again finished in the top five of voting for Defensive Player of the Year, the Heat were still better defensively with him off the floor. On/off court splits can be noisy, but this is now three straight seasons in which Miami's defense has posted a better defensive rating with it's anchor on the bench rather than on the floor.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

Where SI ranked, what they said, about both players.

15. RUDY GOBERT, JAZZ
While the basketball intelligentsia now unanimously views Gobert (14 PPG, 12.8 RPG, 2.6 BPG) as one of the league’s elite defensive players, numerous statistical measures consider him one of the league’s elite players, period. The NBA’s leading shot-blocker and Defensive Player of the Year runner-up rebounded from a knee injury that marred his 2015-16 season to deliver a career year across the board in 2016-17. The 25-year-old center helped lead the Jazz to their first playoff series win since 2010 and set new career-highs in scoring, rebounds, blocks, and FG% while ranking second league-wide in Win Shares and eighth in both Real Plus-Minus and WARP. All things considered, Gobert was 2017’s biggest All-Star snub.

Gobert’s development as an ultra-efficient pick-and-roll target aided his ascension. Not only did the Stifle Tower improve Utah’s No. 3 ranked defensive efficiency by 6.9 points when he took the court, he upped the Jazz’s improved offense by 4.1 points too. Although his range is strictly tied to the paint and his ball skills are limited, Gobert’s finishing ability and commitment to pursuing second-chance points will make him a key prong in Utah’s team-based approach to replacing Gordon Hayward’s offense. More importantly, Gobert’s proven ability to lead an elite defense, regardless of how many of his teammates might be injured at any given moment, makes him the best reason to believe in Utah’s post-Hayward chances. The Jazz might have lost their top scorer this summer, but they retained their most indispensable all-around player. — BG

34. HASSAN WHITESIDE, HEAT
What makes Whiteside so much of a problem now is the very thing that kept him hovering around the NBA in spite of all his blunders: He’s just an enormous human being. It’s not until you see Whiteside fighting for a rebound against some other, appropriately sized center that his advantage is thrown into stark relief. There are seven-footers, and then there are bouncy seven-footers with a 7’7’’ wingspan. Bigs who otherwise have the size to dominate games in their own right can be seen draped over Whiteside as he goes to his hook shot, hopeless to reach it.

This remains the primary mechanism for Whiteside’s success—and it is considerable. His post moves aren’t especially varied or creative, but they work to a point. His dominance of the defensive glass comes through committed work, though it’s anchored by the fact that Whiteside will always be able to pull in misses that no one else can. Even his defense hinges on his reach. There is both something special about Whiteside’s capacity to alter shots and something limiting in the way he completely relies on it. Something will always be lost when a player like Whiteside turns the ball over as often as he does or hamstrings his team by only wanting to defend in his block-happy way. It’s a testament to his standing, however, that those qualities have become mere caveats. — RM

Except this is total bullshit unless it is old.

Whiteside didn't chase blocks last year, while vastly improving in other parts of his game.
The numbers speak for themself.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

Here is ESPN- who also just put out there top 100, where they rank, and what they say about each player


14. Rudy Gobert
Stats & Info: Nobody protects the paint quite like Gobert, who contested a league-high 10.2 shots at the rim per game last season. Though Draymond Green won NBA Defensive Player of the Year, it was Gobert who led the league in defensive real plus-minus, finishing with the best mark by any player over the past three seasons.


41. Hassan Whiteside
Stats & Info: Whiteside remains somewhat of an enigma. Though he once again finished in the top five of voting for Defensive Player of the Year, the Heat were still better defensively with him off the floor. On/off court splits can be noisy, but this is now three straight seasons in which Miami's defense has posted a better defensive rating with it's anchor on the bench rather than on the floor.

I think someone here already posted the actual stats that prove this is incorrect.
Anyone who watches Heat games knows without question that Whiteside makes them much better except when possibly other teams realize they can't handle him and go real small.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

Why are Hassan Whiteside’s shot-blocking numbers down this season? | Heat Zone

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

Detroit Pistons coach Stan Van Gundy, "Hassan Whiteside right now is playing as well as any big man in the league. His numbers are mind-boggling."

Raptors coach Dwane Casey, "He's taking it to another level. The young man is a great example of what you can do when maturity sets in, work ethic sets in."


Bulls coach Fred Hoiberg, "Whiteside is obviously a load down there. He is the best shot-blocker in our league."

Charlotte Hornets coach Steve Clifford, "He's the strength of their defense."

Indiana Pacers coach Nate McMillan, "Whiteside basically just dominated the paint, with offensive rebounds and his scoring and his putbacks. We really just didn't have an answer for his paint presence."

Bucks coach Jason Kidd, "He did a really good job of controlling the paint, protecting the rim."


@WiggyRuss "Whiteside sucks cause he's on the Heat and I GUARANTEE he will meltdown in games after getting lazy once he signed his max".