Deep Creek
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Hooters of Rice?Duke and Vanderbilt and Stanford and Notre Dame and Northwestern.
Hooters of Rice?Duke and Vanderbilt and Stanford and Notre Dame and Northwestern.
Depends on if it is a class he had to have for his degree and wasn't offered at any other time. Big difference in not being able to take a class you want and one you absolutely need, especially if it is a presquite for future classes.He complained about not being able to take an economics class because it conflicted with his spring football schedule. I hate to break it to him, but regular old students have conflicts too. Lots of classes are held at the same time...hard to be in two places at once. Plus plenty of kids also have work commitments.
After Rosen gets his MBA, he might realize that life is full of competing time commitments.
There is no point in my adult life when I had more free time than when I was in college.
Sounds like my Principal days. Whatever went wrong was always my fault.
My secretary was pretty good at art and had a real unique sense of humor. After one series of events "that were my fault" she painted me a nice sign for my office. It said, "I have a very responsible position around here. Anytime anything goes wrong anywhere on campus, I'm responsible."
Yeah ok bud. Alabama somehow gets 4-5* football team and they have more Academic All Americans than all SEC schools including Duke and Vanderbilt and Stanford and Notre Dame and Northwestern. Yeah bud. Unicorns and the tooth fairy .
Sounds like my Principal days. Whatever went wrong was always my fault.
Yeah ok bud. Alabama somehow gets 4-5* football team and they have more Academic All Americans than all SEC schools including Duke and Vanderbilt and Stanford and Notre Dame and Northwestern. Yeah bud. Unicorns and the tooth fairy .
It's not just "somehow". No matter if you want to admit it or not, academics are pretty important at Alabama and Saban has people who do nothing but help players with school. If they miss a class, Saban knows and they get in trouble. If they aren't doing well, Saban knows and they get in trouble.
You want to assume whatever because it makes you feel better, not because it's the reality. You equate other teams having success with any excuse you can find. Not punishing enough, not serious about school enough, cheating, and whatever else - except of course for your own school.
Meanwhile, you still haven't bother to name a USC player that's been suspended for weed.
It's not just "somehow". No matter if you want to admit it or not, academics are pretty important at Alabama and Saban has people who do nothing but help players with school. If they miss a class, Saban knows and they get in trouble. If they aren't doing well, Saban knows and they get in trouble.
You want to assume whatever because it makes you feel better, not because it's the reality. You equate other teams having success with any excuse you can find. Not punishing enough, not serious about school enough, cheating, and whatever else - except of course for your own school.
Meanwhile, you still haven't bother to name a USC player that's been suspended for weed.
You want to assume whatever because it makes you feel better, not because it's the reality. You equate other teams having success with any excuse you can find. Not punishing enough, not serious about school enough, cheating, and whatever else - except of course for your own school.
There is no point in my adult life when I had more free time than when I was in college.
I notice you didn't dump UCLA or USC into your rant...
UCLA --Special Admits for General Population 2.6%, Special Admits for Student Athletes 61.2%
Overall GPA for incoming class 3.91. GPA for incoming football players 3.07.
USC, surprise, surprise as a private school did not feel the need to provide the data...but I'm sure they don't make any allowances for their 5 stars...LOL.
Makes me wonder if Rosen was part of the 61.25 or the 38.75%.
Clearly, for most programs, UCLA and USC are both better schools than Alabama...but please don't pretend you don't clear players that otherwise couldn't attend.
BTW...Academic All-American is not an automatic thing...like get a 3.5 GPA become an Academic All-American...there is actually a panel that selects. Just in case you, like Rosen, thought it was for Sociology majors only.
This is true. The issue is the idea of education and this is not a Alabama only thing. Processing kids to keep eligibility and recieve diplomas is important to every program. It looks good and helps recruiting. Educating them is a different story.
That's all pretty nice. First of all no one disputes athletes are able to get into most schools with a lower GPA than regular students. I don't dispute Alabama cycles their players through their system efficiently.But every school has their requirements for admission and every school has a level they educate at. There are far more Stanford football players who can get into and handle the classes at USC ( oh wow I used the school I root for) than there are USC players who could get into Stanford and deal with their curriculum . That's why I would laugh at any list that USC put out somehow showing it has more academic all Americans than Stanford. Just like I laugh at the fact Alabama has more academic all Americans than Duke, Northwestern or Stanford who are known to have tougher requirements.
That's all pretty nice. First of all no one disputes athletes are able to get into most schools with a lower GPA than regular students. I don't dispute Alabama cycles their players through their system efficiently.But every school has their requirements for admission and every school has a level they educate at. There are far more Stanford football players who can get into and handle the classes at USC ( oh wow I used the school I root for) than there are USC players who could get into Stanford and deal with their curriculum . That's why I would laugh at any list that USC put out somehow showing it has more academic all Americans than Stanford. Just like I laugh at the fact Alabama has more academic all Americans than Duke, Northwestern or Stanford who are known to have tougher requirements.
Here is a reality. Every school has a complete distribution of academic talent/accomplishment that ranges from the can't-miss stars all the way down to the hopelessly weak or underprepared. Even the mst selective schools have students who are at the lowest ends of the curve nationally - not just at their respective schools. And there are factors that can get a given doofus into even the most prestigious of school. (Case in point, one Jared Kushner, who did not get into an ivy league school on the basis of either his academic record OR his athletic ability.)He may have a point re: entrance requirements. Facts are, they are not the same at every school, so there are some very good players that simply can't get into some schools.
Exactly. Further - what about students that have family obligations? I recently had a student who was in court fighting for custody of her son who was being abused by his father. And extreme case to be certain, but one for which the stakes are considerably higher than whether or not a football team wins or loses a game.The problem with what he said, imo, is that he acts like football players are the only ones with busy schedules. ...
What about regular students who also have jobs?
You know - his opportunity to attend college does not end when he leaves for the NFL. I am sure that UCLA would welcome him back at any time to pursue a second degree if he were to choose. And if that isn't enough for his candy-ass, he should have played DIII, or chosen to not play football at all.As for Rosen he should learn to keep some things to himself. He went to a good Catholic School and got excellent grades and got frustrated at UCLA because he's wanting a degree in economics ....
So did North Carolina. That is a dangerous pathway that is full of traps that a school must avoid.Because Alabama supports the hell out of the players and does what's needed to help them succeed.
So did North Carolina. That is a dangerous pathway that is full of traps that a school must avoid.
We have trained an entire generation of students that it IS the teacher's fault when the students don't pass. It was called "No Child Left Behind".Oh yeah, whenever I didn't perform ACADEMICALLY, it was the teachers' fault
Here is a reality. Every school has a complete distribution of academic talent/accomplishment that ranges from the can't-miss stars all the way down to the hopelessly weak or underprepared. Even the mst selective schools have students who are at the lowest ends of the curve nationally - not just at their respective schools. And there are factors that can get a given doofus into even the most prestigious of school. (Case in point, one Jared Kushner, who did not get into an ivy league school on the basis of either his academic record OR his athletic ability.)
If he really wants to fix the situation,