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They aren't there to play school.
I haven't had much respect for that program since Shaw took over. I can’t get out of my head in overtime, you have the number 1 player in the draft in Andrew Luck on the field, and you are running wildcat formation. I’m no football expert, but that showed me a lot about Shaw.
That's because he's not a very good coach. I've said it on here for years, and been ripped into repeatedly. The further they get from the Harbaugh years, the worse things have gotten. He had some great years with Harbaugh's kids, and since they've been trending down - in his first 5 seasons, Shaw averaged 10.8 wins a season. For the past 4 seasons, he's sitting at 7.8 wins a season, including 4 this season.I haven't had much respect for that program since Shaw took over. I can’t get out of my head in overtime, you have the number 1 player in the draft in Andrew Luck on the field, and you are running wildcat formation. I’m no football expert, but that showed me a lot about Shaw.
The "recruiting restrictions" narrative is so inaccurate. Outside of 2018 when they only had 15 spots available and finished with the 40th best recruiting class, they've had a top 20 nationally ranked recruiting class since 2015. The talent has been there, the coaching just hasn't.They had 11 players enter the transfer portal this month. That seems abnormally high, especially for a program that struggles to get to 85 scholarships due to their recruiting limitations.
That's exactly what I said in the post right before yours.I'm probably going to get ripped for this. But I think that program has been on a slow, but steady, decline since Harbaugh left. Shaw was able to reap the rewards of what Harbaugh built in the first few years he took over but since 2015, it's been a pretty steep downhill slide. His first 3 years were his best (minus his one 12 win season in 2015) and all of those were with Harbaugh recruits and a lot of the Harbaugh staff still in place.
Disagree. Their academic restrictions are even more stringent than ND’s. I have to check but I’m not sure they even allow early enrollees.The "recruiting restrictions" narrative is so inaccurate. Outside of 2018 when they only had 15 spots available and finished with the 40th best recruiting class, they've had a top 20 nationally ranked recruiting class since 2015. The talent has been there, the coaching just hasn't.
I went through this before on here in a different thread last year. They routinely have offers out to dozens of 4/5* kids. For the 2020 class, they have offers to four 5* and 34 4* prospects, and that's down from normal. They usually have offers extended to 40-50 guys that rank 4* or higher. By contrast, Ohio State had 51 offers to guys rated 4* or higher for the 2020 class.Disagree. Their academic restrictions are even more stringent than ND’s. I have to check but I’m not sure they even allow early enrollees.
True they’ve had some decent classes but that’s the ceiling for them.
And Shaw’s been a steady, if not great coach for them. I think losing their S&C coach hurt them a lot. They were notorious for being virtually injury free for a very long time. It’s no coincidence he was let go and bodies started dropping this year.
I went through this before on here in a different thread last year. They routinely have offers out to dozens of 4/5* kids. For the 2020 class, they have offers to four 5* and 34 4* prospects, and that's down from normal. They usually have offers extended to 40-50 guys that rank 4* or higher. By contrast, Ohio State had 51 offers to guys rated 4* or higher for the 2020 class.
In Harbaugh's final class in 2010, he had 17 offers out to guys rated 4* or higher. Shaw is essentially doing less with much more than Harbaugh regularly did. Not only that, but the Pac12 has been down in the past few years and Stanford is getting worse. Harbaugh built Stanford up to a national power and Shaw has slowly let it slip back down again.