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Suh isn't twice as good as Atkins. That's media bias speaking. ESPN says Suh is the greatest player ever at DT, so it must be true. I've watched 4 or 5 Lions games this year and Suh has been a non-factor in all of them. I don't care if he's seen double teams. Ngata is a better DT right now. Atkins isn't that far behind him.
 

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You are crazy. Double teamed every play Suh has almost as many sacks as Atkins. You will see just how far that line falls without Suh there. Suh is a top 3 DT in the league. Atkins just isn't. And you put Suh in the situation Atkins is in here with the constant 1-on-1 matchups and he easily has 11-12 sacks.
 

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Suh is great, but factoring in his stupidity, I'd rather just keep Atkins.
 

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And if you switch them places and switch how they are played Atkins has 1-2, Suh has 11-12.
 

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I don't think he's great at all. I think he's big. He's your average NFL DT. He's John Thornton basically.

Someone else I saw play for the first time this morning...Andrew Luck. Yeah, I just don't get the hype. His delivery is all out of whack and he seems a bit small. Plus, he sounds like a half-wit. I'm not impressed. That kid from Houston....he's the real deal.
 

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I'll keep Atkins. He'll be fighting for our playoff spot this weekend. Suh will be watching.
 

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I don't think he's great at all. I think he's big. He's your average NFL DT. He's John Thornton basically.

Someone else I saw play for the first time this morning...Andrew Luck. Yeah, I just don't get the hype. His delivery is all out of whack and he seems a bit small. Plus, he sounds like a half-wit. I'm not impressed. That kid from Houston....he's the real deal.

I'm actually getting in the Matt Barkley camp. That kid has been awesome.

I watched Luck play against Oregon and was not overly impressed. I suppose we'll see what he does with better talent.
 

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I'm actually getting in the Matt Barkley camp. That kid has been awesome.

I watched Luck play against Oregon and was not overly impressed. I suppose we'll see what he does with better talent.

And there's a black kid QB too....forget his name. Something the 3rd most likely.

Saw Luck against ND on ESPNU this morning. Not impressive at all. He's a limp wrister. Kinda looks like Dalton, actually.
 

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I think people are too impressed with the fact that Andrew Luck is intelligent. Big Ben has demonstrated that you can be half retarded and win football games if you have the physical talent.
 

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Luck is being over hyped IMO. He is playing against a bunch of bad football teams out there. He didn't look good against Oregon.
 

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I'll keep Atkins. He'll be fighting for our playoff spot this weekend. Suh will be watching.

And that is fine. Atkins is a good player. But to say he is better than Suh or close to as good as Suh is just completely incorrect.
 

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And that is fine. Atkins is a good player. But to say he is better than Suh or close to as good as Suh is just completely incorrect.

I think you're wrong. Suh isn't that much better. Stop believing media hype.
 

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There are 3 kinds of people that would take Suh over Atkins or even think it's close:

1) Bengals homers
2) Suh haters
3) Kramers
 

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It's not media hype. It's watching the games with my own 2 eyes. I don't watch ESPN ever. Suh just flat out man handles people in a way Atkins can't. It's not close as to who is better.
 

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When Atkins starts getting doubles like Suh we will see. Theres no debate here. Suh is the far superior player.
 
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