Would you trade Aldon Smith for AJ Green, straight up?

[deep9er]

Not that either team would ever do it, but would you if it was presented to you?

IMO nope, cause you can work with/win with......'tier 2' WR's more so than with 'tier 2' pass rushers. just have to look at our own case, previous two seasons.

 

[deep9er]

I wouldn't.

Don't get me wrong, AJ is a better football player then Aldon. If I were to give or used the Madden's version of rating players, I would give AJ a 98, and I would give Aldon a 96 . He has a lot of areas to improve at within his own position. For instance, he's not spectacular in pass coverage. I wouldn't trust him against a back or TE without giving him some schematic help with the coverage. Whereas, AJ, there's not much he has not mastered with regard to his position. He is deceptively strong, he's not a great blocker but he is okay at it. Therefore, this is why I say he's a better football player than Aldon.

However, the reason why I wouldn't trade him straight up for Aldon is because in the NFL, you don't get that many OLBs with ratings of 96s or 97s. There's a huge drop off after guys like Aldon, Von Miller, Justin Houston, Clay Matthews. The next best guys are in the Mid 80s. Whereas, at the WR position, you can get some many guys who are in the low 90s. Like Percy Harvin, Michael Crabtree, Hakeem Nicks, Justin Blacmon, Dwayne Bowe, DeSean Jackson, Josh Gordon, etc.

Aldon has had the most sacks ever for a player that has started his first 3 seasons.

yep, this is saying it is easier to find WR's than pass rushers.

now I DON'T discount AJ Green in anyway, do know how good he is. but you can obtain WR's easier than a pass rusher. it is so hard to find pass rushers that teams need to draft DE's and PROJECT them, gamble on them, to be pass rushers.

 

[Crimsoncrew]

I'd do Green for Aldon yes. Maybe now some 49ers fans will realize WHY many in the fanbase wanted Hill or Jeffery or Randle in 2012. Or Patterson or Hopkins in 2013.

You can't go far in the NFL without playmakers on the edges. And if you lose your #1 and #3 WR's for at least half the season and your #2 is 33 years old you better have a GM who can step up and find WR's who can fill in and get the job done. Hoping and praying a bunch of scrub WR's like we have now is going to cut it has proven to be a huge miscalculation by Baalke & Harbaugh. They should of just cut Manningham and signed a WR like Bey he was making plays on the field today while Manningham who knows. Seriously think Baalke is way over rated certainly when it comes to evaluating WR talent (AJ Jenkins). Does Baalke have the smarts to pull off a big deal for a legit #1 or #2 WR? I believe it when I see it happen. And he better do it or this season could be toast very soon.

Because of the recent success of the Detroit Lions? Or the Texans from 2003 until 2009? Or the Cards basically any season except the one when they went to the SB? You're right. Selling the farm for a premium WR is clearly the only way to go.

 

[Crimsoncrew]

The only reason I would consider Green for Aldon are the off-field concerns. But those are not insignificant in today's NFL, so yes, I would consider it and probably do it if Aldon's problems are as serious as I fear. Absent those concerns, I don't think it's even a question. I'd definitely prefer Aldon.

 

[NinerSickness]

How 'bout this one...

Whom would you rather Santa Clause drop down the Niners' chimney right now? AJ Green / Julio Jones (whichever you prefer) or Patrick Peterson?

 

[deep9er]

How 'bout this one...

Whom would you rather Santa Clause drop down the Niners' chimney right now? AJ Green / Julio Jones (whichever you prefer) or Patrick Peterson?

AJ Green, but admittedly don't know enough about PP nor Jones? ie not a strong opinion.

we haven't read or seen (on TV) much on PP right? so assuming this means he isn't outstanding, i'd take a WR. between these two WR's, just SEEMS to me Green is quicker and able to run more routes? Julio to me SEEMS like the Randy Moss type, vertical routes?

 

[yossarian]

How 'bout this one...

Whom would you rather Santa Clause drop down the Niners' chimney right now? AJ Green / Julio Jones (whichever you prefer) or Patrick Peterson?

Peterson. As great as the other two are, a great corner would make this defense truly stellar and I'd rather have a complete defense with few holes than a great WR.

 

[purguy12]

AJ in a heartbeat. Peterson is a little over rated as a CB. he gets alot more hype because of his SPT play. Give me the 2nd best WR. AJ green all the way.

 

[Crimsoncrew]

If I were SF - yes, the off field stuff aside, imo w/o Justin next to Smith, his production goes down

If I were CIN - no, he's a freak that just doesn't come along too often. In a passing league, he's like gold imo.

A couple thoughts on this.

First, Smith's production would go down a bit without Justin next to him. Down from the best start to a career since sacks have been a stat is still awfully good.

Second, if we're looking at the effect of other players, you're talking about a receiver who was 10th in yards last year.

Third, in a passing league, I would argue that outside of QB, nothing is more important than pass rush. Elite WRs aren't near the top of the list IMO.

 

[NinerSickness]

AJ in a heartbeat. Peterson is a little over rated as a CB. he gets alot more hype because of his SPT play. Give me the 2nd best WR. AJ green all the way.

Although I don't think Peterson overrated, I'd have to agree with you otherwise. I'd be happier with AJ Green than PP.

 

[tomikcon1971]

The Devil's advocate here........OLBs that can rush the passer may be more rare, but we seem to do a better job at finding those guys than WRs. For whatever reason, our team has a blind spot to finding WR1 or even WR2 talent. Trading or a FA may be our only option for that position.

 

[purguy12]

Well when I mean overrated I mean he isn't a great cover CB. He is very good but he isnt Revis type CB. Crabtree burns him all the time.

 

[Crimsoncrew]

The Devil's advocate here........OLBs that can rush the passer may be more rare, but we seem to do a better job at finding those guys than WRs. For whatever reason, our team has a blind spot to finding WR1 or even WR2 talent. Trading or a FA may be our only option for that position.

Crabtree is a WR1. Granted Baalke didn't draft him, but I feel that people are making extreme jumps in logic based on the Jenkins pick. Jenkins was a bust. That happens. That's Baalke's only real attempt to add an elite WR. I don't see making the leap from Jenkins as a bad pick to Baalke cannot pick WRs. There just isn't enough of a sample size.

Conversely, Aldon is the only elite OLB Baalke has added. And Aldon was a great pick. But I don't feel all that confident saying Baalke can fairly easily do it again.

AJ Green is great, but if not for the off-field issues, this shouldn't even be a question.

 

[tomikcon1971]

Crabtree is a WR1. Granted Baalke didn't draft him, but I feel that people are making extreme jumps in logic based on the Jenkins pick. Jenkins was a bust. That happens. That's Baalke's only real attempt to add an elite WR. I don't see making the leap from Jenkins as a bad pick to Baalke cannot pick WRs. There just isn't enough of a sample size.

Conversely, Aldon is the only elite OLB Baalke has added. And Aldon was a great pick. But I don't feel all that confident saying Baalke can fairly easily do it again.

AJ Green is great, but if not for the off-field issues, this shouldn't even be a question.

I'm not yet convinced Crabs is a number 1. He's a good receiver but I don't remotely view him in the same league as CJ, D. Thomas, Julio, AJ Green, Fitz, and probably a couple of others I'm missing. And 1 guy is not enough as we are clearly seeing right now. He a possession receiver with great hands. He reminds me of a little bit flashier (and fragile) Hines Ward.

Also, I never said it was a Baalke issue. It's an organizational issue that goes back several years, in my opinion. And I certainly never narrowed the scope to drafting only. FA's are acceptable to improve the skill at the position.

And what if Crabs walks? At least with Smith rehabbing we still have Brooks, Lemon, and Skuta. We also had Haralson and Johnson. You can argue about their talent but I'm way more comfortable at that position than WR. That's my point. Our current WRs can't get open.

Finally banking on Manny and Crabs to be full strength this season is a pipe dream. They may be back but not at 100%, regardless of what people say.

 

[Crimsoncrew]

I'm not yet convinced Crabs is a number 1. He's a good receiver but I don't remotely view him in the same league as CJ, D. Thomas, Julio, AJ Green, Fitz, and probably a couple of others I'm missing. And 1 guy is not enough as we are clearly seeing right now. He a possession receiver with great hands. He reminds me of a little bit flashier (and fragile) Hines Ward.

Also, I never said it was a Baalke issue. It's an organizational issue that goes back several years, in my opinion. And I certainly never narrowed the scope to drafting only. FA's are acceptable to improve the skill at the position.

And what if Crabs walks? At least with Smith rehabbing we still have Brooks, Lemon, and Skuta. We also had Haralson and Johnson. You can argue about their talent but I'm way more comfortable at that position than WR. That's my point. Our current WRs can't get open.

Finally banking on Manny and Crabs to be full strength this season is a pipe dream. They may be back but not at 100%, regardless of what people say.

A few thoughts.

First, I agree that this team has had tremendous difficulty for years in acquiring and/or developing WRs. Given Baalke's relatively short stint with the team, I'm not willing to write him off just yet, but it's clearly a recurring issue. That said, Aldon Smith is a special pass rusher, and that is an invaluable asset. It is far more valuable than having an elite vs. a good WR.

As far as Crabtree, it depends to an extent what is meant by a WR1. You mentioned five guys who are better, and I wouldn't argue with those. But is a WR1 limited to elite players while WR2 encompasses 50+ guys? That's not how I would characterize those designations. And even if we're using the elite definition, I think Crabtree is in the conversation based on his performance last year. In Kaepernick's 10 starts including the playoffs, Crabtree had 880 yards and 8 TDs. That's on pace for 1408 yards and 13 TDs over 16 games. Those are elite numbers that would have been good for 5th in yards and tied for second in TDs. And if anything, the arrow was pointing up after a slow start. Over his last eight games with Kap, he averaged over 100 yards and almost a TD a game, a pace that would have been good for about 1650 yards and 14 TDs. Those numbers would have been second and tied for first, respectively. The myth that Crabtree is nothing more than a glorified possession receiver was debunked last year.

I think there's a good chance Crab does walk, and WR clearly still needs to be a priority position for us. I just value pass rush much more highly. Our biggest issue recently has not been with our #1 receiver, but with our #2 and #3 receivers.

 

[tomikcon1971]

A few thoughts.

First, I agree that this team has had tremendous difficulty for years in acquiring and/or developing WRs. Given Baalke's relatively short stint with the team, I'm not willing to write him off just yet, but it's clearly a recurring issue. That said, Aldon Smith is a special pass rusher, and that is an invaluable asset. It is far more valuable than having an elite vs. a good WR.

As far as Crabtree, it depends to an extent what is meant by a WR1. You mentioned five guys who are better, and I wouldn't argue with those. But is a WR1 limited to elite players while WR2 encompasses 50+ guys? That's not how I would characterize those designations. And even if we're using the elite definition, I think Crabtree is in the conversation based on his performance last year. In Kaepernick's 10 starts including the playoffs, Crabtree had 880 yards and 8 TDs. That's on pace for 1408 yards and 13 TDs over 16 games. Those are elite numbers that would have been good for 5th in yards and tied for second in TDs. And if anything, the arrow was pointing up after a slow start. Over his last eight games with Kap, he averaged over 100 yards and almost a TD a game, a pace that would have been good for about 1650 yards and 14 TDs. Those numbers would have been second and tied for first, respectively. The myth that Crabtree is nothing more than a glorified possession receiver was debunked last year.

I think there's a good chance Crab does walk, and WR clearly still needs to be a priority position for us. I just value pass rush much more highly. Our biggest issue recently has not been with our #1 receiver, but with our #2 and #3 receivers.

I need more data on Crabs. 10 starts and projections don't do it for me. People were proclaiming Kap as a potential all time great after 11 starts and look at him the last three games. He's come back down to earth quite a bit. Don't get me wrong, I like Crabs I'm just not satisfied with our receiver corps in general.

Between Kap, Iupati, and Smith (assuming Crabs walks).....I don't think we can pay all three. I'm not even sure we'll be able to pay two with as much work our secondary needs after this year.

 

[Crimsoncrew]

I need more data on Crabs. 10 starts and projections don't do it for me. People were proclaiming Kap as a potential all time great after 11 starts and look at him the last three games. He's come back down to earth quite a bit. Don't get me wrong, I like Crabs I'm just not satisfied with our receiver corps in general.

Between Kap, Iupati, and Smith (assuming Crabs walks).....I don't think we can pay all three. I'm not even sure we'll be able to pay two with as much work our secondary needs after this year.

Well, the prices for two of those guys have fallen considerably since the season started, but we'll see.

 

[49ersLLC]

A couple thoughts on this.

First, Smith's production would go down a bit without Justin next to him. Down from the best start to a career since sacks have been a stat is still awfully good.

Second, if we're looking at the effect of other players, you're talking about a receiver who was 10th in yards last year.

Third, in a passing league, I would argue that outside of QB, nothing is more important than pass rush. Elite WRs aren't near the top of the list IMO.

Your a clueless fucking retard Crimsoncrew.

You say that because your man crush Baalke drafted the biggest WR bust in 49ers history AJ Jenkins LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[49ersLLC]

Crabtree is a WR1. Granted Baalke didn't draft him, but I feel that people are making extreme jumps in logic based on the Jenkins pick. Jenkins was a bust. That happens. That's Baalke's only real attempt to add an elite WR. I don't see making the leap from Jenkins as a bad pick to Baalke cannot pick WRs. There just isn't enough of a sample size.

Conversely, Aldon is the only elite OLB Baalke has added. And Aldon was a great pick. But I don't feel all that confident saying Baalke can fairly easily do it again.

AJ Green is great, but if not for the off-field issues, this shouldn't even be a question.

Hey Crimsoncrew you like to suck Baalke's cock on the internet huh fucktard!!!!!!!!!

 

[imac_21]

Hey Crimsoncrew you like to suck Baalke's cock on the internet huh fucktard!!!!!!!!!

Sickness, the above is a great example of useless trolling that makes the board worse.