Would Mayhew get bashed for trading next year's picks?

[Gulf of Brazil]

People over-value draft picks, imo.

if people over-value draft picks, then how is a team suppose to build it's roster ? Through high-priced FA's ?

I get it that we're talking about 4th and 5th rounder's here but DAMN man you got to try and build through the draft for the mere fact it's usually the most affordable option to develop player personnel. all JMO.

I still think Mayhew got jobbed giving up both picks. IMO, he lost Suh and got desperate. For the price of Ngata he could have gotten Langford, Pot-Roast and Walker all for nearly the same amount now it must have come down to

A. What Austin wanted
B. Langford said no way Det
C. Pot-Roast didn't even get a sniff test
D. Mayhew being Mayhew
E. all of the above
F. other ?

Redskins sign NT Terrance Knighton (1 years, $4 million): A+ Grade
Colts sign DE/DT Kendall Langford (4 years, $17.2 million): B- Grade
Tyrunn Walker 1.75M... Langford and Pot-Roast for Ngata's $$$$

 

[lionstop1]

All I can do is shake my head at this post. Looks like Mayhew can do no wrong, even when you are handed the facts you asked for.

Keep shaking your head.

What Im asking for is real facts that support those claims. If he's so bad, prove it by comparison to all the other GMs in the league with a full breakdown of everything. Dont just come on here saying things that "you think" makes him a bad one. Prove it.

 

[tpaulus_2]

I think that if you go from having one of the most dominant DTs in the game entering his prime, to being desperate enough to give up two draft picks for a 31 year old DT that was going to be released (because Rusty knew, given a choice, Ngata wouldn't be here), then I think you've fucked things up pretty good.

And Ngata hasn't been dominant the last two years. Hence why the Ravens weren't willing to pay him this year's salary. Don't think even for a minute that our problems have been solved. They've only been compounded.

Well, that's your opinion, and one that appears to be heavily influenced by losing Suh.

I didn't even come close to saying that Ngata

Is it your perception that it's the best?

Everyone else's perception is never reality but yours is?

What is the definitive criteria that isn't opinion or perception that makes it the best and/or not the work of Xander's?

Common sense. This board needs it by the truckloads.

The estrogen over losing Suh is running out of control. Too many posters thinking with their ovaries, not their brains...

 

[lionstop1]

I dont even think anyone here can explain what makes a good GM. Its definitely not being a fan pleaser.

 

[tpaulus_2]

if people over-value draft picks, then how is a team suppose to build it's roster ? Through high-priced FA's ?

I get it that we're talking about 4th and 5th rounder's here but DAMN man you got to try and build through the draft for the mere fact it's usually the most affordable option to develop player personnel. all JMO.

I still think Mayhew got jobbed giving up both picks. IMO, he lost Suh and got desperate. For the price of Ngata he could have gotten Langford, Pot-Roast and Walker all for nearly the same amount now it must have come down to

A. What Austin wanted
B. Langford said no way Det
C. Pot-Roast didn't even get a sniff test
D. Mayhew being Mayhew
E. all of the above
F. other ?

Redskins sign NT Terrance Knighton (1 years, $4 million): A+ Grade
Colts sign DE/DT Kendall Langford (4 years, $17.2 million): B- Grade
Tyrunn Walker 1.75M... Langford and Pot-Roast for Ngata's $$$$

I don't recall saying that I think that a team is supposed to build it's roster through high, priced free agents. Not really sure where you came up with that?

Lots of people seem to be reading what they want to, though, in these tough post-Suh times...

 

[tpaulus_2]

Keep shaking your head.

What Im asking for is real facts that support those claims. If he's so bad, prove it by comparison to all the other GMs in the league with a full breakdown of everything. Dont just come on here saying things that "you think" makes him a bad one. Prove it.

Prove it?!

Lol, that's a good one. Nobody here needs no stinkin' proof- they research NFL stuffs on the internet all day, so obviously they're far more qualified to be making these kinds of decisions than the actual NFL professionals are...

 

[Gulf of Brazil]

Big_Blue_72 said: ↑
if people over-value draft picks, then how is a team suppose to build it's roster ? Through high-priced FA's ?

I don't recall saying that I think that a team is supposed to build it's roster through high, priced free agents. Not really sure where you came up with that?

that little ? and the end should have signified my statement as being a question to you. So now I have that cleared up as it was a question to you.

I wasn't going all RICHARD CRANIUM on you. just so we can clear that up too...

 

[tpaulus_2]

I dont even think anyone here can explain what makes a good GM. Its definitely not being a fan pleaser.

Quite the opposite- I got curious a while back to see if all this arm-chair GM nonsense was unique to our board. It's not.

I went to the Packers board and the Ravens board- two of the best franchises in the league over the last decade or so- and there's plenty of people on each board, just like there is here, calling for their "idiot" GM to be fired because he didn't draft player "x" or sign free agent "y."

I think some people just have a hard time admitting that there's professionals who work in this industry for a living and know and understand this stuff way more than we ever will...

 

[Thruthefog]

Quite the opposite- I got curious a while back to see if all this arm-chair GM nonsense was unique to our board. It's not.

I went to the Packers board and the Ravens board- two of the best franchises in the league over the last decade or so- and there's plenty of people on each board, just like there is here, calling for their "idiot" GM to be fired because he didn't draft player "x" or sign free agent "y."

I think some people just have a hard time admitting that there's professionals who work in this industry for a living and know and understand this stuff way more than we ever will...

Especially those professionals working for the Lions. Dem guys know their shit.

 

[lionstop1]

I cant understand it. An armchair GM knows more than a GM. Lol.

Nobody on this board knows exactly where Mayhew sits among all the other GMs unless you have realistic data and answers to all of the events. Not liking him is one thing but the way some talk is nuts.

 

[RobBase]

Keep shaking your head.

What Im asking for is real facts that support those claims. If he's so bad, prove it by comparison to all the other GMs in the league with a full breakdown of everything. Dont just come on here saying things that "you think" makes him a bad one. Prove it.

Easy. 1991 is the last time the Lions won a playoff game. Only team with a longer drought (by 1 year) is the Bengals.

Every other team in the NFL has won a playoff game during Mayhew's entire era.

Except Mayhew.

 

[tpaulus_2]

I cant understand it. An armchair GM knows more than a GM. Lol.

Nobody on this board knows exactly where Mayhew sits among all the other GMs unless you have realistic data and answers to all of the events. Not liking him is one thing but the way some talk is nuts.

I don't think Mayhew is a great GM, even though defending him in any way, shape, or form apparently means that I do, at least around here.

Despite his faults, he's not terrible relative to the rest of the GMs in the league, and that's what bothers me enough to where I defend him, I guess- the baseless reasoning some people give for hating on him. I guess I just need to accept that those people are going to hate whomever the GM is, pretty much always, because they're wired to think they know more, pretty much always...

 

[tpaulus_2]

Easy. 1991 is the last time the Lions won a playoff game. Only team with a longer drought (by 1 year) is the Bengals.

Every other team in the NFL has won a playoff game during Mayhew's entire era.

Except Mayhew.

Out of supporintg material to argue you point, are you?

I only ask because the bolded part above is a total fabrication... Just sayin'...

 

[tpaulus_2]

I'm sure I can probably come up with at least ten teams who have not won a playoff game since 2009, when Mayhew became the Lions GM.

I could probably come up with ten teams who haven't even been to the playoffs in that time span, let alone won a game...

 

[Dr. Evil-er]

Common sense. This board needs it by the truckloads.

Nobody here needs no stinkin' proof- they research NFL stuffs on the internet all day, so obviously they're far more qualified to be making these kinds of decisions than the actual NFL professionals are...

the baseless reasoning some people give for hating on him

they're wired to think they know more, pretty much always...

You do realize that every single one of the above quotes from you could be 100% turned around and be directed right back at you. #1, I think you need some common sense sometimes. Blinded by Honolulu and Blue glasses are some of your thoughts. #2, you must be kidding if you aren't every bit as guilty of the same thing you allege others do. #3, the homeristic love you have for all things Lions that is completely baseless in reasoning other than that you don't agree. Its completely baseless reasoning to accuse others of having baseless reasoning when the criteria by which you call it baseless is simply your opinion. #4, . and that comment is again based off of your perceptions and opinions.

I only ask because the bolded part above is a total fabrication... Just sayin'...

Mayhew's tenure with the Lions dates well back before 2009. He was Millen's right hand man for many years before he took over as GM. If he was so completely powerless and shares none of the blame for those years what baseless reasoning can you offer as to how and why he was promoted to the GM role?

Well, that's your opinion, and one that appears to be heavily influenced by losing Suh.

Far and away your best post of the bunch. Acknowledges its just his opinion without telling him why its wrong even though an opinion cant be wrong.

These posts are why I dogged on you about the double standard you think exists here. When you respond to an opinion or perception you are on the opposite side of the other poster lacks common sense, has baseless reasoning, isn't qualified to offer an opinion, or is just plain wrong. Insert the word YOU into those posts and they are perfectly fitting.

 

[tpaulus_2]

A.)


B.) Where did you bunch of hippies ever come up with this idea that an opinion can't be wrong? That statement couldn't be less true. If an opinion is based in incorrect information, then it's wrong, plain and simple. Opinions on subjective matters inherently cannot be wrong, but many things that people give an opinion on are not subjective at all...

 

[RobBase]

Out of supporintg material to argue you point, are you?

I only ask because the bolded part above is a total fabrication... Just sayin'...

You know what longest playoff win drought means, right?

 

[Dr. Evil-er]

B.) Where did you bunch of hippies ever come up with this idea that an opinion can't be wrong? That statement couldn't be less true. If an opinion is based in incorrect information, then it's wrong, plain and simple. Opinions on subjective matters inherently cannot be wrong, but many things that people give an opinion on are not subjective at all...

Wow, worst post you have ever made. It's a fucking opinion dude!! There is absolutely, positively, no way it can be wrong. NONE!!!! What in the fuck are you defining as an opinion??

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Keep shaking your head.

What Im asking for is real facts that support those claims. If he's so bad, prove it by comparison to all the other GMs in the league with a full breakdown of everything. Dont just come on here saying things that "you think" makes him a bad one. Prove it.

You ask for facts and get a response with facts.

It has nothing to do with what "we think" -- he gave you facts. What you responded with is your opinion. Now that you have been given facts -- you want a full breakdown of every GM in the league.

While I can't speak for everyone else -- I couldn't care less to look up every GM in the league, nor do I have the time to do something like that. Since you made the request -- how about this -- you give us a full breakdown of every GM and how they have drafted in comparison to Mayhew, so you can show us how good Mayhew has been.

 

[jdwills126]

Wait!

Didn't Mayhew choose to keep Pettigrew BEFORE the draft? That would mean that he didn't know he was going to draft Ebron. Plus, nobody in this forum knows exactly how or why they picked Ebron. The jury is still out on him also.

The fall back plan was to get Ngata, I assume. Maybe, just maybe they could've kept Suh but they would be paying a ton of money. The whole situation is a wash. Teams lose good players all the time.

There are some financial management issues but I think a little bit of it comes from the situation they were handed. Hard to sustain a quality team without making some investments.

Young, LeShoure and Best were decent picks at the time. Mayhew took some chances and it backfired for whatever reason. The Broyles pick was awful.

Who cares about 2010 and 2011 players?

Why walk away from the best QB we've had in years?

Why sign Pettigrew to a good contract and then make him the blocking TE. The Lions could have signed any blocking TE at a fraction of what he signed Pettigrew for. That makes Ebron the Fauria 2.0 receiving specialist. Again a luxury when you have 1 DT signed for the following year.

Ngata was not a fallback. Ngata was a panic move. It was a good one but make no mistake Mayhew had no idea Ngata would be available or if he could pay the price. Planning and panic not the same.

Financial Management Issues? That's like saying it's the credit cards companies fault for my bad spending since they gave me a high limit. The Lions still are paying Suh more than Ngata and Suh plays for Miami.

Young, LeShoure, and Best were good picks in your opinion the same thing you criticized everyone else for, an opinion. Mayhew is the GM he should know more about the guys he drafts than all the fans he gets paid to know more.

Who cares about 2010 and 2011? They would be entering their 4th and 5th years of experience. Guys in their prime and team leaders. The best teams in the salary cap era draft well so they don't have to overpay in the FA market. You just write off two years off players that should be contributing.

If Stafford can't elevate his game the Lions should have the option of walking away from him. I am a Stafford supporter and believe Mayhew has not gotten him the weapons he needs. Mostly due to his sorry ass drafting. But even I can say Stafford needs produce better and actually beat a team with a winning record on the road.