Wolves open to trading #1 overall pick

[Stakesarehigh]

Lol

That's why I say the league has no clue what to do with the Bigs

 

[Stakesarehigh]

If Drummond plays in the 90's he's a more offensively talented Mutombo and a better rebounder a little less on D

Now he gets moved for a time share in Boca raton

 

[msgkings322]

If Drummond plays in the 90's he's a more offensively talented Mutombo and a better rebounder a little less on D

Now he gets moved for a time share in Boca raton

Yep, things change. Does Steph Curry even make a team in the 80s? Maybe off the bench...

 

[The Q]

I’m like the ultimate 90s kid, and yes I mkss 90s NBA minus the start of ignoring all sorts of travel and carry rules.

 

[The Q]

Case and point.

Drummond can’t defend in space. He is an old school rim protector with a limited offensive game.

And in fairness, PJ Tucker is not a great talent. He is a role player.

But, so is Drummond in the modern NBA.

If the rockets blow it up, getting tucker and Covington in a deal for 2 would be interesting for them, at least fit wise

 

[tlance]

If Drummond plays in the 90's he's a more offensively talented Mutombo and a better rebounder a little less on D

Now he gets moved for a time share in Boca raton

Well, teams score like 20 more a game than teams from the 90s.

So maybe we should be saying teams from the 90s didn’t know how to use guards.

 

[tlance]

If the rockets blow it up, getting tucker and Covington in a deal for 2 would be interesting for them, at least fit wise

Sure. That would be great for the Warriors if they could get the money to work.

But I doubt the Rockets blow it up. They will give Russ and Harden a shot with another coach before they go young.

 

[The Q]

Well, teams score like 20 more a game than teams from the 90s.

So maybe we should be saying teams from the 90s didn’t know how to use guards.

or they played better defense

 

[tlance]

or they played better defense

I mean, more violent for sure.

But pretty sure the answer isn’t that players form 25 years ago were more advanced than players today.

 

[trojanfan12]

Lol

That's why I say the league has no clue what to do with the Bigs

The problem is that there are 2 types of bigs right now.

What the Lakers have, is a good example of the 2 different types of bigs.

There are the more traditional, "own the paint" bigs like Dwight and the modern bigs like AD who can play from the paint out to the 3 point line.

It wasn't that long ago that Dwight was the dominant big in the NBA. Now he's a role player. Some of that is age, but mostly it's that his impact is limited to the paint. He still has value because getting rebounds and blocking shots will always have value...

but a big like AD gives you that, plus ball handling skills and the ability to score from the perimeter.

 

[trojanfan12]

Yep, things change. Does Steph Curry even make a team in the 80s? Maybe off the bench...

He'd be in the league because he can shoot. But his lack of size would hurt him even more defensively back then than it does now.

 

[The Q]

The problem is that there are 2 types of bigs right now.

What the Lakers have, is a good example of the 2 different types of bigs.

There are the more traditional, "own the paint" bigs like Dwight and the modern bigs like AD who can play from the paint out to the 3 point line.

It wasn't that long ago that Dwight was the dominant big in the NBA. Now he's a role player. Some of that is age, but mostly it's that his impact is limited to the paint. He still has value because getting rebounds and blocking shots will always have value...

but a big like AD gives you that, plus ball handling skills and the ability to score from the perimeter.

When you control the paint line 2009 Dwight, you can be a star.

problem is guys like him and hibbert do not age well.

dh got hurt, hibbert fell off a cliff

 

[The Q]

I mean, more violent for sure.

But pretty sure the answer isn’t that players form 25 years ago were more advanced than players today.

I like good hard nosed defense

 

[The Q]

Sure. That would be great for the Warriors if they could get the money to work.

But I doubt the Rockets blow it up. They will give Russ and Harden a shot with another coach before they go young.

perhaps. It was just an idea.

now Milwaukee, if Greek freak tells them he’s out after next year.

they don’t have the assets for him, but 2 and Wiggins for Middleton seems like a real possibility. He fits them absolutely perfectly.

 

[tlance]

Yes. Agree on Middleton.

 

[The Q]

Yes. Agree on Middleton.

option B is to use Whatever assets they have left to move dray and Wiggins for expiring deals so they can sign freak outright next summer.

 

[tlance]

option B is to use Whatever assets they have left to move dray and Wiggins for expiring deals so they can sign freak outright next summer.

No way.

You said this before.

The Warriors aren’t salary dumping these guys.

They can contend for a title with what they have if everyone is healthy.

 

[msgkings322]

He'd be in the league because he can shoot. But his lack of size would hurt him even more defensively back then than it does now.

That's why he'd only be like a second unit scoring role

 

[Stakesarehigh]

The problem is that there are 2 types of bigs right now.

What the Lakers have, is a good example of the 2 different types of bigs.

There are the more traditional, "own the paint" bigs like Dwight and the modern bigs like AD who can play from the paint out to the 3 point line.

It wasn't that long ago that Dwight was the dominant big in the NBA. Now he's a role player. Some of that is age, but mostly it's that his impact is limited to the paint. He still has value because getting rebounds and blocking shots will always have value...

but a big like AD gives you that, plus ball handling skills and the ability to score from the perimeter.

I'm aware. But I still say even within the confines of the game as it is today teams don't have a good handle on the value of a lot of Bigs. Sure AD is easier to quantify but to say an athletic guy like Capela takes away value or driving lane space is absurd to me. You can coach a guy like that to move around it's much different than someone like Boban or Kanter who can't play for long stretches because they don't get up and down the floor.

 

[tlance]

I'm aware. But I still say even within the confines of the game as it is today teams don't have a good handle on the value of a lot of Bigs. Sure AD is easier to quantify but to say an athletic guy like Capela takes away value or driving lane space is absurd to me. You can coach a guy like that to move around it's much different than someone like Boban or Kanter who can't play for long stretches because they don't get up and down the floor.

It is the truth though. Bigs who can’t shoot take away driving space.

Very simply to understand really.

If you have a player who isn’t a threat to score outside of 12 feet, then that player’s defender will always be in prime position to help. There are ways to use him, yes, but when you have 5 shooting to threats on the floor it opens up more options.