Willing to trade for Ohtani?

[stanford the manford]

Do you think the regional Chinese ties in the BA would make it tough for the Giants to market Japan as effectively as LA?

I don't think the Japanese community in the BA is very large, could be wrong.

 

[calsnowskier]

I don't think the Japanese community in the BA is very large, could be wrong.

I haven’t lived in the BA since the early ‘90s, but that was my sense. There is a very large Chinese population, though, and China and Japan don’t get along very well.

This may have nothing to do with nothing. I have no idea. That’s why I asked the question.

 

[Jeep]

Just heard The Dodgers and Ohtani deferred $680mil to the end of the contract. He’ll be playing for $2mil a year until then.

 

[calsnowskier]

Just heard The Dodgers and Ohtani deferred $680mil to the end of the contract. He’ll be playing for $2mil a year until then.

Well, $2M from the doggies. He will be making $100M per year from endorsements.

 

[stanford the manford]

Just heard The Dodgers and Ohtani deferred $680mil to the end of the contract. He’ll be playing for $2mil a year until then.

Which means the Doggies have a chit-ton of scoots to spend and stay under the luxury tax ceiling. This isn't good

 

[Jeep]

Well, $2M from the doggies. He will be making $100M per year from endorsements.

Which means the Doggies have a chit-ton of scoots to spend and stay under the luxury tax ceiling. This isn't good

Not sure if baseball has approved it yet.

 

[calsnowskier]

I don’t remember the specifics, but I remember the Angels playing fast with their contract terms when they signed Poo Holes way back when. I am not convinced this will make it past the league offices.

Then again, the league offices are sackless yes men for the power-teams, so maybe it will breeze through.

 

[Robotech]

I don’t remember the specifics, but I remember the Angels playing fast with their contract terms when they signed Poo Holes way back when. I am not convinced this will make it past the league offices.

Then again, the league offices are sackless yes men for the power-teams, so maybe it will breeze through.

It is completely within the rules, according to Jeff Passan. I get it, though. It seems wrong.

 

[calsnowskier]

It is completely within the rules, according to Jeff Passan. I get it, though. It seems wrong.

Dayum. If that is really in the CBA (I have no reason to doubt it), it looks pretty iron clad.

 

[calsnowskier]

That doesn’t answer the tax issue, though. Again, I always thought the total contract was divided equally over the life of the contract for tax purposes. So they should still take a 70M hit towards the tax levels for ‘24-‘33.

Am I wrong about that?

 

[Stokes1931]

Shohei Ohtani to defer $68 million per year in unusual arrangement with Dodgers: Source

The structure is intended to provide the Dodgers additional cash flow and payroll flexibility.

theathletic.com

According to this from The Athletic, aside from the deferred income, estimates are that Ohtani makes about $50 million per year in endorsements. I also read that the Dodgers think they will recoup this investment within a few years from increased ticket revenues, TV revenues, and merch sales.

I have always wondered about this in other sports (Warriors?). Why does Curry need to be paid $50 million per season when his endorsement income may be close to that anyway? Especially when it impacts the team's ability to afford other high caliber players?

I believe it was one of the Pirate players back in the 80's (Bonilla) who signed with the Mutts and was given a contract that paid him $1 million a year for 25 years, and a few years ago was the last payment made to him.

This thing with Ohtani sure seems like skirting the rules, if not in specifics then in spirit. But hey, they were creative. And our Neanderthal front office cannot even find the freaking box to think outside of.

I get SO's decision though. After all the years in the Siberia that is the Angels, he wanted to win now. And there is no team better equipped to do that than the Dogs. Alas, the Giants are not in that category.

 

[stanford the manford]

Per KNBR today (and take it with a grain or shaker of salt), only the non-deferred portion counts against the salary cap / luxury tax. If that's the case the Dogs supermarket sweep is still on.

Giants better get going and do something to secure some top flight pitchers and shore up the defense or the foreseeable future will have us looking up the Dogs heinys

 

[LHG]

Per KNBR today (and take it with a grain or shaker of salt), only the non-deferred portion counts against the salary cap / luxury tax. If that's the case the Dogs supermarket sweep is still on.

Giants better get going and do something to secure some top flight pitchers and shore up the defense or the foreseeable future will have us looking up the Dogs heinys

According to this article, $46 million will count against the luxury tax.

Shohei Ohtani's Contract Will Defer $68MM Per Year

The Dodgers and Shohei Ohtani agreed to massive a ten-year, $700MM deal over the weekend, but it was reported that …

www.mlbtraderumors.com

 

[sf1giantfan]

So basically it is us against the dodgers again for Yamamoto, and the bums having all the advantages. This is bad for baseball. Really bad

 

[LHG]

So basically it is us against the dodgers again for Yamamoto, and the bums having all the advantages. This is bad for baseball. Really bad

I thought about New York teams were considered finalists.

 

[sf1giantfan]

I thought about New York teams were considered finalists.

Oh yes them too

 

[LHG]

Not sure if I agree completely with this article but an interesting take on the deferred money nonetheless.

Why Shohei Ohtani's Contract Structure Is Not A Luxury Tax Dodge

Earlier today, we learned that Shohei Ohtani's $700MM contract with the Dodgers has a stunning deferral structure: he'll earn a …

www.mlbtraderumors.com

 

[stanford the manford]

Not sure if I agree completely with this article but an interesting take on the deferred money nonetheless.

Why Shohei Ohtani's Contract Structure Is Not A Luxury Tax Dodge

Earlier today, we learned that Shohei Ohtani's $700MM contract with the Dodgers has a stunning deferral structure: he'll earn a …

www.mlbtraderumors.com

Hard to understand how all this actually works, but at a minimum the Dodgers have a pile of real cash to spend if the are willing to go into the luxury tax zone

 

[LHG]

Hard to understand how all this actually works, but at a minimum the Dodgers have a pile of real cash to spend if the are willing to go into the luxury tax zone

It is a weird, convoluted mess but the bottom line, as I understand it, is that the Dodgers still have a boatload of cash to spend this offseason and intend to spend it.

 

[SF11704]

It is a weird, convoluted mess but the bottom line, as I understand it, is that the Dodgers still have a boatload of cash to spend this offseason and intend to spend it.

And this is what makes me think that Ohtani had come to a decision very early in the recruitment process. To put something of this magnitude and complexity together doesn't happen overnight. The Dodgers woild have to have ample time to actually pull the pieces together and Othani would need time to review it. Not sure how something like this could be done in a week