Why The Bengals should draft a QB

[DanBengalfan]

You should watch more Lions games.

lol

 

[cincygrad]

You should watch more Lions games.

Best post of the day.

 

[kramer1]

We'll trade you Dalton for Stafford right now.

Dalton blows.

 

[broncosmitty]

Trade deadline was October 29th. Plus, there's a salary cap. Could Cincy have even dealt for Shaun Hill?

 

[CrashDavisSports]

Who is everyone else? There are quite a few QBs who will more than likely go in the 1st round. Bridgewater, Carr, Manziel, Boyd still probably, Hundley if he comes out, Fales could. There are still other QBs out there too who could move up. Morris, Matthews, Gorrapollo.

I said worth a crap. I didn't say ones that would be drafted.

 

[Gypsumstack]

Trade deadline was October 29th. Plus, there's a salary cap. Could Cincy have even dealt for Shaun Hill?

The Bengals are still sitting on about $15 million or so in cap space.

 

[Cincyfan78]

The Bengals are still sitting on about $15 million or so in cap space.

Some of that will be carried over into next year, I think, for AJ.

You can't spend up to the cap every year, or on years that you are faced with retaining one of your own very good players, you will run into a lot of issues.

You always have to leave some room for flexibility and the unknown of how many extra players you will need to sign throught the season due to injuries. Also, potential escalator clauses could kick in as well for incentives reached on playing time, snaps, stats, etc...those also eat into that money at the end of the year.

 

[cincygrad]

Some of that will be carried over into next year, I think, for AJ.

You can't spend up to the cap every year, or on years that you are faced with retaining one of your own very good players, you will run into a lot of issues.

You always have to leave some room for flexibility and the unknown of how many extra players you will need to sign throught the season due to injuries. Also, potential escalator clauses could kick in as well for incentives reached on playing time, snaps, stats, etc...those also eat into that money at the end of the year.

Is that you Geoff?

 

[Cincyfan78]

Is that you Geoff?

LOL

Just saying..you don't need to spend money just because. It bites you in the ass.

The Bengals are singing key players, and in order for that to keep happening, you have to make sure you leave yourself some wiggle room each year.

You spend your money to get within 2-3mil of the cap, and then when you can't re-sign AJ or another key player down the road....you end up looking like the Steelers do now. No cap room, aging team, no way to keep higher priced talent, and falling a part.

 

[BurrowDeep2Chase]

Hell Dalton would be an improvement for half the league. He is an average QB, no more no less. I don't think you guys realize how bad it could be. On Sundays we mostly see Denver, New England, and Cincinnati on tv. And if Jax or Clevland is on we aren't watching most likely. We watch Dalton, Manning and Brady. Thinking we can just draft a new QB that just takes off in his first two years while we have this window of talent is a major crapshoot. The league may add one above average quarterback each year out of the 5 or 6 that get drafted. Dalton's interceptions have risen this year. But he has been improving in other stat categories. Lets compare his first 3 years to a few other QBs first 3 years.

Dalton
Games - 44
Attempts - 895
Completions - 1477
YPA - 6.91
Comp% - 60.60%
Yards - 10211
Touchdowns - 69
Interceptions - 45

Manning
Games - 48
Attempts - 1014
Completions - 1679
YPA - 7.31
Comp% - 60.39%
Yards - 12287
Touchdowns - 85
Interceptions - 58

Brees
Games - 42
Attempts - 787
Completions - 1282
YPA - 6.67
Comp% - 61.39%
Yards - 8551
Touchdowns - 55
Interceptions - 38

Brady
Games - 47
Attempts - 954
Completions - 1541
YPA - 6.63
Comp% - 61.91%
Yards - 10227
Touchdowns - 69
Interceptions - 38

Dalton's numbers are not too far off of the other 3 on the list. Now I am not saying Dalton is going to turn into these 3 by any means, however if we do somehow draft a Manning, Breese, or Brady(which would be super-luck) then we will just end up with Dalton number for the next 3 years anyways. I would like to think Dalton will continue to get better.

 

[Cincyfan78]

Hell Dalton would be an improvement for half the league. He is an average QB, no more no less. I don't think you guys realize how bad it could be. On Sundays we mostly see Denver, New England, and Cincinnati on tv. And if Jax or Clevland is on we aren't watching most likely. We watch Dalton, Manning and Brady. Thinking we can just draft a new QB that just takes off in his first two years while we have this window of talent is a major crapshoot. The league may add one above average quarterback each year out of the 5 or 6 that get drafted. Dalton's interceptions have risen this year. But he has been improving in other stat categories. Lets compare his first 3 years to a few other QBs first 3 years.

Dalton
Games - 44
Attempts - 895
Completions - 1477
YPA - 6.91
Comp% - 60.60%
Yards - 10211
Touchdowns - 69
Interceptions - 45

Manning
Games - 48
Attempts - 1014
Completions - 1679
YPA - 7.31
Comp% - 60.39%
Yards - 12287
Touchdowns - 85
Interceptions - 58

Brees
Games - 42
Attempts - 787
Completions - 1282
YPA - 6.67
Comp% - 61.39%
Yards - 8551
Touchdowns - 55
Interceptions - 38

Brady
Games - 47
Attempts - 954
Completions - 1541
YPA - 6.63
Comp% - 61.91%
Yards - 10227
Touchdowns - 69
Interceptions - 38

Dalton's numbers are not too far off of the other 3 on the list. Now I am not saying Dalton is going to turn into these 3 by any means, however if we do somehow draft a Manning, Breese, or Brady(which would be super-luck) then we will just end up with Dalton number for the next 3 years anyways. I would like to think Dalton will continue to get better.

I've made the same argument, but I've not seen the decision making and the physical jump that I was hoping to see this year.

The one thing I did see that we've not seen, is that he had a nice 3 week stretch. Before that, I'm not sure he really had a stretch like that where he literally carried the offense. That, at least, says that it's POSSIBLE for him to get hot in the playoffs...though, that's a totally different discussion.

I still think it is wise to find a guy in the draft that you think can be a potential starter down the road. If you get him in this draft, and Dalton doesn't take the next step in year four, you're not spinning your wheels with some rookie in 2015. That guy would alread have at least 1 year sitting behind Dalton, and learning the offense. It makes total sense that they should at least look at a potential QB if he is there. Not, obviously, in round 1 or 2, but if a guy falls to round 3 or 4...I think it's a no-brainer.

However...with this organization...

 

[Tubbs1518]

I said worth a crap. I didn't say ones that would be drafted.

The majority of those have the potential to be a franchise QB. This is still a good draft for QBs. Before the year it was being talked about as possibly one of the best QB drafts in a LONG time. Just because Mariota sucked and decided to go back doesn't change that.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

The majority of those have the potential to be a franchise QB. This is still a good draft for QBs. Before the year it was being talked about as possibly one of the best QB drafts in a LONG time. Just because Mariota sucked and decided to go back doesn't change that.

Everyone in the league has the potential to be a franchise QB, just depends on what they do once they get here. Brady wasn't shit, played one year for Michigan. You just never know.

However, most those guys I don't see as real legit franchise QB's. Backups, yes, not the man starting and leading a team to a lot of playoffs. I will be wrong with some of this. Because some guys just surprise you. Like Brady. But on average, most those guys you listed, are goign to be nobodies.

 

[BurrowDeep2Chase]

Everyone in the league has the potential to be a franchise QB, just depends on what they do once they get here. Brady wasn't shit, played one year for Michigan. You just never know.

However, most those guys I don't see as real legit franchise QB's. Backups, yes, not the man starting and leading a team to a lot of playoffs. I will be wrong with some of this. Because some guys just surprise you. Like Brady. But on average, most those guys you listed, are goign to be nobodies.

I think this draft as a whole will be weak just like last year. The 2011 draft class was absolutely amazing. Those players will all be in their 3rd years next year. Its going to be hard to be young and enter this league for a little while.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

Take either Murray or Mettenberger in the 3rd round, let them get healthy and provide depth behind Dalton during a make or break 4th year. There isn't a QB worth taking with our 1st round pick, and likely not with our 2nd. I've stated before that I really like Zach Mettenberger, think he has all the tools you want in a QB.

Before the injury I thought Mettenberg would be the 3rd or 4th QB off the board (before Manziel imo)...with Mariota deciding to stay @ ORE. That would've put him 10 to 15 overall imo. After the injury...I can see a team like STL, maybe trading back with one of their two top 10 picks, and taking a shot at him late 1st round or a team like KC. He wasn't getting drafted on his legs so if the surgery is successful, I think teams will take a shot.

On Dalton from a foe perspective...at least in PIT or away in DIV in general his record is really bad...that would worry me as a fan base...if a Mettenberger were around when you guys picked I probably would do it...not with the intent of him starting next year, but to upgrade the position overall.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

Before the injury I thought Mettenberg would be the 3rd or 4th QB off the board (before Manziel imo)...with Mariota deciding to stay @ ORE. That would've put him 10 to 15 overall imo. After the injury...I can see a team like STL, maybe trading back with one of their two top 10 picks, and taking a shot at him late 1st round or a team like KC. He wasn't getting drafted on his legs so if the surgery is successful, I think teams will take a shot.

On Dalton from a foe perspective...at least in PIT or away in DIV in general his record is really bad...that would worry me as a fan base...if a Mettenberger were around when you guys picked I probably would do it...not with the intent of him starting next year, but to upgrade the position overall.

Insightful. Well thought out.

Overall, I think you are right about Dalton, but in general, he is pretty good on the road with a career regular season record of 12-9. Not too bad for the road in a tough division to boot. Granted, that is not necessarily Dalton doing all the heavy lifting as our defense seems to carry us mostly, but he is the one that keeps leading them in and out of the huddle and on the field. His leadership quality seems to be there, but he needs to get more out of himself on a more consistant basis. He is too up and down from one week to another, and he is streaky...may be good for 3 or 4 weeks, and then a nightmare directly following that stretch for several games.

 

[cincygrad]

Everyone in the league has the potential to be a franchise QB, just depends on what they do once they get here. Brady wasn't shit, played one year for Michigan. You just never know.

However, most those guys I don't see as real legit franchise QB's. Backups, yes, not the man starting and leading a team to a lot of playoffs. I will be wrong with some of this. Because some guys just surprise you. Like Brady. But on average, most those guys you listed, are goign to be nobodies.

I hate the Tom Brady argument. We get it.... There was once a guy drafted late in the draft that turned out to be one of the best qbs ever. Rare shit happens.

I hate it even more when it is blatantly wrong -- Brady started two full seasons in college and he was a terrific college player. He set Michigan passing records while he was there. The only reason he wasn't more respected during his time at Michigan was that Lloyd Carr felt intense pressure to get Drew Henson into the game. Henson was seen as a phenomen and people thought if he didn't play he would jump ship and play for the Yankees. Turns out he did anyway and it turns out he wasn't very good at baseball or football.

 

[DanBengalfan]

before it was the Brady argument, it was the Montana argument (3rd round)

 

[CrashDavisSports]

I hate the Tom Brady argument. We get it.... There was once a guy drafted late in the draft that turned out to be one of the best qbs ever. Rare shit happens.

I hate it even more when it is blatantly wrong -- Brady started two full seasons in college and he was a terrific college player. He set Michigan passing records while he was there. The only reason he wasn't more respected during his time at Michigan was that Lloyd Carr felt intense pressure to get Drew Henson into the game. Henson was seen as a phenomen and people thought if he didn't play he would jump ship and play for the Yankees. Turns out he did anyway and it turns out he wasn't very good at baseball or football.

I agree. Those moments are rare. Which is why i say i am not sticking much stock in it. Most quality QB's are taken pretty high in the draft 1st or 2nd round. However, of those QB's, still most fail to be decent QB's in this league. It is a crap shoot, and therefore, I take little stock in someone thinking there are 3 to 5 frachise type QB's in this years draft class. I think ONE will be lucky to become one of those, more less 3 to 5 having that potential. Granted, anyone can surprise you, (like my example of Brady I gave). That is the only reason I even brought Brady's name up, as someone that can surprise you. PS..I didn't think Brady was that good in college.

 

[cincygrad]

I agree. Those moments are rare. Which is why i say i am not sticking much stock in it. Most quality QB's are taken pretty high in the draft 1st or 2nd round. However, of those QB's, still most fail to be decent QB's in this league. It is a crap shoot, and therefore, I take little stock in someone thinking there are 3 to 5 frachise type QB's in this years draft class. I think ONE will be lucky to become one of those, more less 3 to 5 having that potential. Granted, anyone can surprise you, (like my example of Brady I gave). That is the only reason I even brought Brady's name up, as someone that can surprise you. PS..I didn't think Brady was that good in college.

I used to watch Michigan a lot back then. I always thought he was very underrated and that Lloyd Carr was an idiot for rotating Henson into the game. Of course I never would imagine he would have the type of career he has had, but he had a lot of moxie and a nice arm back then.

Then again, if you look at the old combine footage, you an understand why nobody drafted him higher. When he ran the 40, he looked like a mid-thirties beer league softball player.