Why do fans of fast paced offenses whine when defenses...

[4down20]

Sumlin; "It wasn't out team flopping around on the field in the second half."

Which he said after the Florida game in regards to criticism that A&M wasn't well conditioned because the offense went away in the 2nd half.

Funny enough, he blamed it on "mental hangovers" from...the previous season.

 

[Codaxx]

Why is that an issue? They are playing 11. The defense is playing 11. If the offense substitutes the defense can. Nobody complains that Bama runs their offense too slow and it gives their defense too much rest. End of the day it is flat out whining.

 

[4down20]

Why is that an issue? They are playing 11. The defense is playing 11. If the offense substitutes the defense can. Nobody complains that Bama runs their offense too slow and it gives their defense too much rest. End of the day it is flat out whining.

Answer this question.

Why is it so important for the defense to rest, but not so important for the offense to rest.

 

[Codaxx]

Answer this question.

Why is it so important for the defense to rest, but not so important for the offense to rest.

Why should the offense care?

 

[WhiteMamba]

And if bama fans were contending for a Hoops NATTY, I am sure they would bitch about fast paced offenses.

Any basketball team that runs a fast paced offense should allow their opponents 7 TOs per half to get more subs in.

Quitcher bitchin. It isnt going to change peeps.

 

[4down20]

And if bama fans were contending for a Hoops NATTY, I am sure they would bitch about fast paced offenses.

Any basketball team that runs a fast paced offense should allow their opponents 7 TOs per half to get more subs in.

Quitcher bitchin. It isnt going to change peeps.

Nice slippery slope fallacy.

 

[BTHOtu]

Which he said after the Florida game in regards to criticism that A&M wasn't well conditioned because the offense went away in the 2nd half.

Funny enough, he blamed it on "mental hangovers" from...the previous season.

That's right. A&M had to face the same type of offense week in and week out in the Big 12. In 2011, after losing to OSU the team was criticized for having poor conditioning which was a major factor in all those 2nd half collapses. When Sumlin took over he made conditioning a priority. His philosophy is that the team has to be conditioned well enough to step on the gas in the forth quarter. Also notice that our defense does NOT do a lot of substituting. We were very thin on that side of the ball last year and we still are. A lot of our D line is out there for every snap.

So after the Florida game a lot of questions came around the strength and conditioning program and losing games in the second half. And they struggled with the second half for most of the 2012 season also. UF, LaTech, Ol Miss, LSU, Bama. All games that A&M built up a lead and either lost it in the 2nd, or nearly lost it. So yeah, it's a mental hangover that took them a long time to get over.

Point being: If your defense is conditioned well enough to stay on the field longer between substitutions then we aren't having this argument.

 

[4down20]

That's right. A&M had to face the same type of offense week in and week out in the Big 12. In 2011, after losing to OSU the team was criticized for having poor conditioning which was a major factor in all those 2nd half collapses. When Sumlin took over he made conditioning a priority. His philosophy is that the team has to be conditioned well enough to step on the gas in the forth quarter. Also notice that our defense does NOT do a lot of substituting. We were very thin on that side of the ball last year and we still are. A lot of our D line is out there for every snap.

So after the Florida game a lot of questions came around the strength and conditioning program and losing games in the second half. And they struggled with the second half for most of the 2012 season also. UF, LaTech, Ol Miss, LSU, Bama. All games that A&M built up a lead and either lost it in the 2nd, or nearly lost it. So yeah, it's a mental hangover that took them a long time to get over.

Point being: If your defense is conditioned well enough to stay on the field longer between substitutions then we aren't having this argument.

If it was A&M that sputtered in the 2nd half, then how it is the other teams that need better conditioning?

 

[TonyTheGator]

And if bama fans were contending for a Hoops NATTY, I am sure they would bitch about fast paced offenses.

Any basketball team that runs a fast paced offense should allow their opponents 7 TOs per half to get more subs in.

Quitcher bitchin. It isnt going to change peeps.

Nice slippery slope fallacy.

What did you expect? Duck fans love to sit on a slippery phallus.

 

[BTHOtu]

If it was A&M that sputtered in the 2nd half, then how it is the other teams that need better conditioning?

Look. Most SEC teams have a lot of "beasts" (as Kingsberry likes to call them) on the line. These big boys need to rotate in and out to stay fresh. Plus these DC's like to have a few extra seconds to get lined up and set make reads and call plays. They can't do that when the offense lines up and snaps 3 yards, lines up and snaps 4 yards, lines up and snaps 3 yards, lines up and snaps 7 yards. No huddle. Not a lot of difference in formations. Just line up and snap the ball and keep going until you score...Or until a defensive lineman is flopping around with cramps.

 

[4down20]

Look. Most SEC teams have a lot of "beasts" (as Kingsberry likes to call them) on the line. These big boys need to rotate in and out to stay fresh. Plus these DC's like to have a few extra seconds to get lined up and set make reads and call plays. They can't do that when the offense lines up and snaps 3 yards, lines up and snaps 4 yards, lines up and snaps 3 yards, lines up and snaps 7 yards. No huddle. Not a lot of difference in formations. Just line up and snap the ball and keep going until you score...Or until a defensive lineman is flopping around with cramps.

Or until the 2nd quarter hits.

 

[trojanfan12]

Because they don't allow the D to substitute and put the players wanted on the field, not because the players are tired.

That's nonsense and it was NOT the reason given by your coach!! He cried about players getting tired and it being easier for them to get injured!!The defense can substitute when the offense does. So guess what? If the defense isn't substituting, neither is the offense!! So it's the same 11 on 11 every play!!

And none of you have explained why it's only your coach and fanbase crying about it!! Hell, USC faces these types of offenses all season long and Lane Kiffin isn't taking time out from deflating footballs and banning reporters to cry about it!!

 

[JDM]

Answer this question.

Why is it so important for the defense to rest, but not so important for the offense to rest.

Because if the offense is tired they can slow the pace. The defense doesn't have that luxury.

I still say the solution to faking injuries to sub is simple, though. All you have to do is, if a defensive player gets hurt and stops the clock, only they can be subbed in unless the offense does. If teams still abuse it it will be pretty blatant and easier to deal with.

 

[Codaxx]

The biggest advantage is not conditioning. Notice how good A&M was early in games. Defense came out and were not prepared. Fast pace made it difficult to make adjustments. If you guess wrong, you will be punished. The bitching is basically an attempt to mitigate coaching mistakes.

Watch Oregon. They a variety of paces. When they catch you in a mismatch the peddle goes to the metal. You are in dime and boom 5 straight runs at warp speed. It is impressive

 

[4down20]

That's nonsense and it was NOT the reason given by your coach!! He cried about players getting tired and it being easier for them to get injured!!The defense can substitute when the offense does. So guess what? If the defense isn't substituting, neither is the offense!! So it's the same 11 on 11 every play!!

And none of you have explained why it's only your coach and fanbase crying about it!! Hell, USC faces these types of offenses all season long and Lane Kiffin isn't taking time out from deflating footballs and banning reporters to cry about it!!

I gotta make the same arguments and always agree with Saban?

Or is that just what you want to argue against?

 

[UtahUte]

It is the rule, right? Unless you're implying substituting in the middle of a play.

Sorry I didn't explain it that well. It would be illegal substitution (non player foul). No player may enter the field of play, Offensively/Deffensivley during a down.

 

[occupant]

With the way Aggy was having their way with the Bama defense in the 1st half, Bama needed to do something, or it was going to get very ugly in Tuscaloosa that day.

Swinging from aggot balls? GET DOWN FROM THERE!

 

[scuttlebutt]

Rules changed in 1906 to allow the forward pass[edit]
1905 had been a bloody year on the gridiron; the Chicago Tribune reported 18 players had been killed and 159 seriously injured that season.[4] There were moves to abolish the game. But President Theodore Roosevelt personally intervened and demanded that the rules of the game be reformed. In a meeting of more than 60 schools in late 1905, the commitment was made to make the game safer. This meeting was the first step toward the establishment of what would become the NCAA and was followed by several sessions to work out "the new rules."[5]
The final meeting of the Rules Committee tasked with reshaping the game was held on April 6, 1906, at which time the forward pass officially became a legal play.[2] The New York Times reported in September 1906 on the rationale for the changes: "The main efforts of the football reformers have been to 'open up the game'—that is to provide for the natural elimination of the so-called mass plays and bring about a game in which speed and real skill shall supersede so far as possible mere brute strength and force of weight."[6] However the Times also reflected widespread skepticism as to whether the forward pass could be effectively integrated into the game: "There has been no team that has proved that the forward pass is anything but a doubtful, dangerous play to be used only in the last extremity."[7] The forward pass was not allowed in Canadian football until 1929.[8]

 

[UtahUte]

Criteria for a code of rules

In a game which involves the purpose movement of 22 players, the carrying, kicking and passing of a ball, personal contact by opponents, frequent changes of ball possession and the employment of many natural acquired skills, the need for and importance of an effective set of playing rules is at once apparent. Because football is a game in which vigorous contact between players is encouraged, a lack of adequate rules of play or poor enforcement of existing rules could result in deterioration of a fine game into a series of brawls. The law of the jungle would replace the law of reason, rather than justice and fair play.
The rules must be altered periodically to accommodate new features that have a positive effect on the game. Keeping the ball live as much as possible provides for greater interest and excitement in games of all types. This certainly is true in football. While the ball is live, players must make instantaneous decisions based upon instinct and training. Those charged with the responsibility of developing rules believe in the desirability of providing players additional opportunities to make choices consistent with other principles of the game. Some advocate additional restrictions which would remove choices. These are to be resisted at all levels.
In drafting a desirable code of football rules, a number of criteria and guidelines must be followed.

1) Fair play
2) Risk Minimization
3) Balance between Offense and defense
Because the team in possession of the ball has the advantage of knowing where and in what manner they hope to advance the ball, the defensive team must have certain equalizing privileges not given to the offense. To permit the offense to have "rights" of the defense in all respect would give an unfair advantage to the team with the ball. For example, offensive pass interference restrictions begin with the snap, but defensively not until the ball leaves the passer hands. So This is the way I see it. The defense better have a game plan put together that limits the offense or maintains the speed of the game.
4) codification
5) exceptions
6) Brevity
7) Adaptability
8) Definitions
9) Simplicity
10) Logical Organazation

 

[trojanfan12]

I gotta make the same arguments and always agree with Saban?

Or is that just what you want to argue against?

Nope, I'm just arguing against the whole "it's unfair" nonsense regardless of the reason!! As I've said, whining isn't a good look for a back to back National Champ!!