Who will be the Seahawk starting QB in September?

[dkmightyhammer]

Of course. If the Seahawks didn't have a elite defense that allowed Wilson to develop into what he became and he was instead asked to sling it from day 1, his entire career may have been different. Would Mahomes be Mahomes if he were playing for the Lions?

But if the Seahawks took Cousins or Foles instead of Wilson, would they have won a Super Bowl? It's not like the Seahawks were CERTAIN that Wilson was going to be what he was or they would have taken him in the 1st round.

Is it possible that they will find another really good QB in the draft? Sure but the odds are not in their favor.

Ya for sure. Everybody, including the teams, are just using their best guesses as to who will be good or bad.

Think about this too: how many head coaches/teams would have allowed a 3rd round rookie QB (who was too short) to come in and take the starting job away from a QB they just acquired (and gave a 3 year contract deal too) only a couple months earlier? Wilson was extremely fortunate to have coaches and ownership that were willing to let him compete, and win that job. Most franchises would never do that. History could be so much different if Carroll insisted on going with Matt Flynn as the day one starter. And with that young, unknown defense just taking off in 2012 maybe Matt Flynn's the guy whose career goes upward like a rocket if he'd been given the reins. It's truly amazing the butterfly effect that some of these player decisions have in the NFL.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Ya for sure. Everybody, including the teams, are just using their best guesses as to who will be good or bad.

Think about this too: how many head coaches/teams would have allowed a 3rd round rookie QB (who was too short) to come in and take the starting job away from a QB they just acquired (and gave a 3 year contract deal too) only a couple months earlier? Wilson was extremely fortunate to have coaches and ownership that were willing to let him compete, and win that job. Most franchises would never do that. History could be so much different if Carroll insisted on going with Matt Flynn as the day one starter. And with that young, unknown defense just taking off in 2012 maybe Matt Flynn's the guy whose career goes upward like a rocket if he'd been given the reins. It's truly amazing the butterfly effect that some of these player decisions have in the NFL.

Bingo. Not all player succeed but the question is was that on the team/coaches or the player?

 

[blstoker]

Bingo. Not all player succeed but the question is was that on the team/coaches or the player?

Some have fewer questions than others

 

[MrS]

"Per the report, the Panthers believe they’ll have to surrender at least three first-round picks, another draft pick, and a young player or two. Alexander writes that the players would include safety Jeremy Chinn, defensive end Brian Burns, defensive tackle Derrick Brown, and/or cornerback Jaycee Horn."
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Panthers remain interested in Deshaun Watson

Last year, the Panthers were willing to trade for Deshaun Watson despite unresolved criminal and civil cases.

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I think we are out of the watson sweepstakes

 

[Screamin12th]

Penny isn't going to be some huge cap hit.

This just seems like you just don't want Penny at any cost. That seems short sighted. Travis Homer doesn't get hurt very much. He seems to fit your requirements.

It makes zero sense when rebuilding to bring back someone who can't stay on the field, NOW is the time to cut bait. I loved Penny go look back at the draft I was OK with the pick ( i liked Chubbs a lot more so did everyone else ). I wanted Penny to take over for Carson because Carson was injury prone, then Penny turned out to be even more so.

Tell me with a straight face Penny is going to play 15 games next season or EVER in a season let alone 17 ( 18 soon enough )!

 

[Screamin12th]

I dont think the Hawks resign DK unless they have a QB in place, i also don't think DK would sign with the Hawks with out a QB. The Hawks now are thinking about shipping Lockett off ... this should tell you everything you need to know. The team is in blow it up mode not retooling.

 

[flyerhawk]

It makes zero sense when rebuilding to bring back someone who can't stay on the field, NOW is the time to cut bait. I loved Penny go look back at the draft I was OK with the pick ( i liked Chubbs a lot more so did everyone else ). I wanted Penny to take over for Carson because Carson was injury prone, then Penny turned out to be even more so.

Tell me with a straight face Penny is going to play 15 games next season or EVER in a season let alone 17 ( 18 soon enough )!

But you are saying that we simply should not resign Penny at any price. That makes no sense. Should we sign him for top tier running back money with a ton of guaranteed money? Of course not.

But if Penny is willing to take an incentive laden deal that pays him if he plays, I would be fine with it.

I know some fans are saying that they want the team to tank next but I absolutely do not. That is a loser mentality.

 

[DHoey]

I dont think the Hawks resign DK unless they have a QB in place, i also don't think DK would sign with the Hawks with out a QB. The Hawks now are thinking about shipping Lockett off ... this should tell you everything you need to know. The team is in blow it up mode not retooling.

I think half of Lockett's value was in his relationship with Russ. They were on the same page on scramble drills and was his safety blanket. I'm not sure that he will have the same skill set with a new QB.

I think DK will be great no matter who you pair him with.

 

[PolarVortex]

If Wilson had not had Marshawn Lynch and the Legion Of Boom in those first 4 years, when he was creating his reputation, would he still be thought of as a top 5 or 7 or whatever QB?

I think top 5 is a huge stretch. Top 7? Maybe. He would have been behind Brady, Brees, and Manning for sure.

But without Lynch and the LOB, would Wilson have been as good as Rivers, Stafford, Palmer, Roethlisberger, Luck, Ryan?

 

[flyerhawk]

If Wilson had not had Marshawn Lynch and the Legion Of Boom in those first 4 years, when he was creating his reputation, would he still be thought of as a top 5 or 7 or whatever QB?

I think top 5 is a huge stretch. Top 7? Maybe. He would have been behind Brady, Brees, and Manning for sure.

But without Lynch and the LOB, would Wilson have been as good as Rivers, Stafford, Palmer, Roethlisberger, Luck, Ryan?

All time ranks
Top 10 yards per attempt
Top 5 ints per attempt
Top 5 passer rating
Top 10 TD percentage

 

[JMR]

How does re-signing Penny (at a reasonable price, of course) get in the way of a rebuild? It's a little bit of cap space, that's it. It doesn't cost any draft picks, he isn't preventing some other potential cornerstone player at a key position from developing, etc. If anything, signing Penny has just become more important after RW trade because we are clearly going to need horses in the stable to run the ball w/o a legit QB under center.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Team friendly deal then yes sign Penny, but think his market got better with his finish last season and gets some interest from other teams.

 

[flyerhawk]

Team friendly deal then yes sign Penny, but think his market got better with his finish last season and gets some interest from other teams.

Certainly he helped his value with his late season performance but every other team is going to look at his career and see the same thing we've seen. So I think it is highly unlikely that any team is going to come in give him a huge contract. I think he will likely get a contract similar to Carson, who has similar injuries concerns.

 

[JMR]

Certainly he helped his value with his late season performance but every other team is going to look at his career and see the same thing we've seen. So I think it is highly unlikely that any team is going to come in give him a huge contract. I think he will likely get a contract similar to Carson, who has similar injuries concerns.

Yes, no question. He did help his value down the stretch, as you state, but every other team's fans are saying pretty much exactly what we are right now about how much you pay a guy with his track record of being challenged to stay on the field. Somone will for sure sign him though, and it won't be for peanuts. It also won't be at a price or contract length that has significant long term cap pain, hence bringing him back isn't going to get in the way of a rebuild...unless we think DeeJay Dallas is the bell cow of the future and having Penny on the team stunts his development into the next Marshall Faulk.

 

[flyerhawk]

Yes, no question. He did help his value down the stretch, as you state, but every other team's fans are saying pretty much exactly what we are right now about how much you pay a guy with his track record of being challenged to stay on the field. Somone will for sure sign him though, and it won't be for peanuts. It also won't be at a price or contract length that has significant long term cap pain, hence bringing him back isn't going to get in the way of a rebuild...unless we think DeeJay Dallas is the bell cow of the future and having Penny on the team stunts his development into the next Marshall Faulk.

If there is some other RB on the market that we think can be more reliable and nearly as productive then I'm all for it. But I don't know of any such players.

 

[Cyder]

All time ranks
Top 10 yards per attempt
Top 5 ints per attempt
Top 5 passer rating
Top 10 TD percentage

All while running for his life most of the time behind a less than stellar line.

 

[boogiewithstu2007]

If Wilson had not had Marshawn Lynch and the Legion Of Boom in those first 4 years, when he was creating his reputation, would he still be thought of as a top 5 or 7 or whatever QB?

I think top 5 is a huge stretch. Top 7? Maybe. He would have been behind Brady, Brees, and Manning for sure.

But without Lynch and the LOB, would Wilson have been as good as Rivers, Stafford, Palmer, Roethlisberger, Luck, Ryan?

Wilson has a clutch factor to him, and his stats show that, he came through big time in the playoffs the year we won it all … Any QB needs a good supporting cast to win it all, Wilson definitely had that early in his career, but he was still hella clutch for us …

 

[flyerhawk]

All while running for his life most of the time behind a less than stellar line.

Russ had a tough season last year. Maybe the worst of his career. And yet he STILL had 25 TDs to 6 Int with a 7.8 Y/A and a 103 PR.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

IDK about the cost but Fournette, James Conner, Melvin Gordon are FAs of note. Maybe hold off until the draft is done because there are RBs worth looking at in the draft that could be drafted 3rd round or later. Cheaper and younger likely less injury prone.

 

[boogiewithstu2007]

Drew will most likely be our starting guy, he’s gonna get one more shot to see if he can be a legit starter … He’s probably not the long term solution unless something clicks with him, which can happen, but probably unlikely, time will tell … I can see us brining someone else in to compete for the job, be interesting to see what happens … BUT please don’t give up anymore draft picks, let’s keep those and build this thing back up over time…