Who will be the Seahawk starting QB in September?

[blstoker]

Let’s not count out Lock just yet, dude has good mobility and a dam good arm.. He’s gonna have a chance to earn the job…

I don't mind rolling with Lock - dude either is a place holder or he turns his career around - and right now that's the best we can hope for. One thing he needs to improve is he forces balls way too often. Double and triple coverage show up way too often in his highlights as well as his lowlights. He's also got accuracy issues. We'll see how he improves those, but yeah, I have no problems letting Lock compete for the job (especially if it means we don't immediately spend big money on another QB).

 

[flyerhawk]

I don't mind rolling with Lock - dude either is a place holder or he turns his career around - and right now that's the best we can hope for. One thing he needs to improve is he forces balls way too often. Double and triple coverage show up way too often in his highlights as well as his lowlights. He's also got accuracy issues. We'll see how he improves those, but yeah, I have no problems letting Lock compete for the job (especially if it means we don't immediately spend big money on another QB).

What other choice do we really have? The draft is pretty weak. The market is trash unless we do something stupid and make a move for Cousins or someone like that which would be dumb.

 

[blstoker]

What other choice do we really have? The draft is pretty weak. The market is trash unless we do something stupid and make a move for Cousins or someone like that which would be dumb.

Honestly, I'm hoping we don't make a move for a QB. That may doom this season, but it just seems like it would be a waste. I guess if Willis is still there in the third round (yes, third) then maybe you take him there, but taking him in the first like some mocks are showing would be a mistake.

 

[flyerhawk]

Honestly, I'm hoping we don't make a move for a QB. That may doom this season, but it just seems like it would be a waste. I guess if Willis is still there in the third round (yes, third) then maybe you take him there, but taking him in the first like some mocks are showing would be a mistake.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Willis and Ridder gone before we even draft. QBs ALWAYS get taken way before the early mocks have them. They probably won't go THAT high but it wouldn't be surprising.

 

[blstoker]

I wouldn't be surprised to see Willis and Ridder gone before we even draft. QBs ALWAYS get taken way before the early mocks have them. They probably won't go THAT high but it wouldn't be surprising.

I know, but overdrafting a QB is what kills teams' futures. I just hope the Hawks don't do that to themselves.

 

[flyerhawk]

I know, but overdrafting a QB is what kills teams' futures. I just hope the Hawks don't do that to themselves.

I don't really have a problem with "overdrafting" per se. I have a much bigger problem with PC/JS falling in love with a QB and drafting even the proper slot.

I would be surprised if Ridder or Willis make it out of the 1st round. So their "slot" is the 1st round. But that doesn't mean they are worth a 1st round pick.

 

[MrS]

Let’s not count out Lock just yet, dude has good mobility and a dam good arm.. He’s gonna have a chance to earn the job…

if the rumors about watson are true, I dont think they are content with lock.

and good grief the guy cant throw a spiral.

 

[dkmightyhammer]

What other choice do we really have? The draft is pretty weak. The market is trash unless we do something stupid and make a move for Cousins or someone like that which would be dumb.

I know the "experts" say the draft is weak for QB's, but do they really know? I mean those guys are wrong about QB's more than they are right. It seems like a crap shoot to me, and sometimes it just takes getting lucky or putting the right QB with the right team at the right time. Sometimes the better QB's are the ones that the "experts" don't put much value into. Wilson (3rd round), Brady (7th), Theisman (4th), Hasselbeck (6th), Rich Gannon (4th) etc, etc.... You just never know.

 

[returnofjakedog]

I know the "experts" say the draft is weak for QB's, but do they really know? I mean those guys are wrong about QB's more than they are right. It seems like a crap shoot to me, and sometimes it just takes getting lucky or putting the right QB with the right team at the right time. Sometimes the better QB's are the ones that the "experts" don't put much value into. Wilson (3rd round), Brady (7th), Theisman (4th), Hasselbeck (6th), Rich Gannon (4th) etc, etc.... You just never know.

Agreed. But I don't have as much confidence in PC/JS's drafting abilities at this point.
We draft #9 now but possible QB drafters Jets, Texans, Lions, Giants, Panthers, and Steelers all draft before us in the 1st, add the Bears to that list in the 2nd. So any of those teams might throw a monkey wrench into the Seahawks plans if they have a specific early round QB in mind.

 

[flyerhawk]

I know the "experts" say the draft is weak for QB's, but do they really know? I mean those guys are wrong about QB's more than they are right. It seems like a crap shoot to me, and sometimes it just takes getting lucky or putting the right QB with the right team at the right time. Sometimes the better QB's are the ones that the "experts" don't put much value into. Wilson (3rd round), Brady (7th), Theisman (4th), Hasselbeck (6th), Rich Gannon (4th) etc, etc.... You just never know.

It's all about probability. A top 5 pick is a LOT more likely to be a success than a QB taken in the last 40 years.

Honestly that is true of all positions. You can draft a Hall of Famer in the later rounds put they are pretty rare. Here is a list of every QB taken in the 3rd round or later since 1979. 320 players. How many Pro Bowlers do you see...

Kellen Mond
Davis Mills
Ian Book
Sam Ehlinger
Jacob Eason
James Morgan
Jake Fromm
Jake Luton
Cole McDonald
Ben DiNucci
Tommy Stevens
Nate Stanley
Will Grier
Ryan Finley
Jarrett Stidham
Easton Stick
Clayton Thorson
Gardner Minshew
Trace McSorley
Mason Rudolph
Kyle Lauletta
Mike White
Luke Falk
Tanner Lee
Danny Etling
Alex McGough
Logan Woodside
Davis Webb
C.J. Beathard
Joshua Dobbs
Nathan Peterman
Brad Kaaya
Chad Kelly
Jacoby Brissett
Cody Kessler
Connor Cook
Dak Prescott
Cardale Jones
Kevin Hogan
Nate Sudfeld
Jake Rudock
Brandon Allen
Jeff Driskel
Brandon Doughty
Garrett Grayson
Sean Mannion
Bryce Petty
Brett Hundley
Trevor Siemian
Logan Thomas
Tom Savage
Aaron Murray
A.J. McCarron
Zach Mettenberger
David Fales
Keith Wenning
Tajh Boyd
Garrett Gilbert
Mike Glennon
Matt Barkley
Ryan Nassib
Tyler Wilson
Landry Jones
Brad Sorensen
Zac Dysert
B.J. Daniels
Sean Renfree
Russell Wilson
Nick Foles
Kirk Cousins
Ryan Lindley
B.J. Coleman
Chandler Harnish
Terrelle Pryor
Ryan Mallett
Ricky Stanzi
T.J. Yates
Nathan Enderle
Tyrod Taylor
Greg McElroy
Colt McCoy
Mike Kafka
John Skelton
Jonathan Crompton
Rusty Smith
Dan LeFevour
Joe Webb
Tony Pike
Levi Brown
Sean Canfield
Zac Robinson
Stephen McGee
Rhett Bomar
Nate Davis
Tom Brandstater
Mike Teel
Keith Null
Curtis Painter
Kevin O'Connell
John David Booty
Dennis Dixon
Josh Johnson
Erik Ainge
Colt Brennan
Andre' Woodson
Matt Flynn
Alex Brink
Trent Edwards
Isaiah Stanback
Jeff Rowe
Troy Smith
Jordan Palmer
Tyler Thigpen
Charlie Whitehurst
Brodie Croyle
Ingle Martin
Omar Jacobs
Reggie McNeal
Bruce Gradkowski
D.J. Shockley
Charlie Frye
Andrew Walter
David Greene
Kyle Orton
Stefan Lefors
Dan Orlovsky
Adrian McPherson
Derek Anderson
James Kilian
Matt Cassel
Ryan Fitzpatrick
Matt Schaub
Luke McCown
Craig Krenzel
Andy Hall
Josh Harris
Jim Sorgi
Jeff Smoker
John Navarre
Cody Pickett
Casey Bramlet
Matt Mauck
B.J. Symons
Bradlee Van Pelt
Dave Ragone
Chris Simms
Seneca Wallace
Brian St. Pierre
Drew Henson
Brooks Bollinger
Kliff Kingsbury
Gibran Hamdan
Ken Dorsey
Josh McCown
David Garrard
Rohan Davey
Randy Fasani
Kurt Kittner
Brandon Doman
Craig Nall
J.T. O'Sullivan
Steve Bellisari
Seth Burford
Jeff Kelly
Ronald Curry
Wes Pate
Chris Weinke
Sage Rosenfels
Jesse Palmer
Mike McMahon
A.J. Feeley
Josh Booty
Josh Heupel
Giovanni Carmazzi
Chris Redman
Tee Martin
Marc Bulger
Spergon Wynn
Tom Brady
Todd Husak
JaJuan Seider
Tim Rattay
Jarious Jackson
Joe Hamilton
Brock Huard
Joe Germaine
Aaron Brooks
Kevin Daft
Michael Bishop
Chris Greisen
Scott Covington
Jonathan Quinn
Brian Griese
John Dutton
Matt Hasselbeck
Moses Moreno
Danny Wuerffel
Pat Barnes
Mike Cherry
Chuck Clements
Tony Graziani
Koy Detmer
Wally Richardson
Tony Corbin
Ronnie McAda
Bobby Hoying
Jeff Lewis
Danny Kanell
Spence Fischer
Mike Cawley
Jon Stark
Kyle Wachholtz
Stoney Case
Eric Zeier
Rob Johnson
Chad May
Dave Barr
Steve Stenstrom
Jay Barker
Jerry Colquitt
Craig Whelihan
John Walsh
Perry Klein
Doug Nussmeier
Jim Miller
Gus Frerotte
Jay Walker
Steve Matthews
Glenn Foley
Billy Joe Hobert
Mark Brunell
Gino Torretta
Craig Erickson
Casey Weldon
Will Furrer
Chris Hakel
Jeff Blake
Scott Zolak
Donald Hollas
Bill Muscrave
Craig Erickson
Paul Justin
Tommy Hodson
Peter Tom Willis
Neil O'Donnell
Troy Taylor
Cary Conklin
Scott Mitchell
Craig Kupp
John Friesz
Mike Buck
Anthony Dilweg
Erik Wilhelm
Jeff Graham
Jeff Carlson
Jeff Francis
Rodney Peete
Brent Snyder
Terrance Jones
Tom Tupa
Chris Chandler
Don McPherson
Scott Secules
Stan Humphries
Mike Perez
Kerwin Bell
Cody Carlson
Mark Vlasic
Rich Gannon
Steve Beuerlein
Kevin Sweeney
Doug Hudson
Bubby Brister
Hugh Millen
Robbie Bosco
Doug Gaynor
Mark Rypien
Stan Gelbaugh
Mike Norseth
Frank Reich
Steve Bono
Rusty Hilger
Scott Barry
Turner Gill
Walter Lewis
Tim Riordan
Frank Seurer
John Bond
Jeff Hostetler
Rick McIvor
Jay Schroeder
Steve Pelluer
Dean May
Ben Bennett
Randy Wright
Terry Nugent
John Witkowski
Scott Campbell
Jeff Christensen
Reggie Collier
Babe Laufenberg
Mike Pagel
Mike Kelley
Mike Machurek
Tom Flick
Brad Wright
Mark Herrmann
Eric Hipple
Rusty Lisch
Ed Luther
Paul McDonald
Gary Hogeboom
Scott Brunner
Craig Bradshaw
Joe Montana
Steve Dils
Dan Manucci
Rick Leach
Chuck Fusina
Mike Moroski

 

[Debbie Does]

Be of good cheer. I just gave up being a Washington Commodes fan with the acquisition of Carson Wentz.

Seattle is in much better position to recover.

 

[dkmightyhammer]

It's all about probability. A top 5 pick is a LOT more likely to be a success than a QB taken in the last 40 years.

Honestly that is true of all positions. You can draft a Hall of Famer in the later rounds put they are pretty rare. Here is a list of every QB taken in the 3rd round or later since 1979. 320 players. How many Pro Bowlers do you see...

Kellen Mond
Davis Mills
Ian Book
Sam Ehlinger
Jacob Eason
James Morgan
Jake Fromm
Jake Luton
Cole McDonald
Ben DiNucci
Tommy Stevens
Nate Stanley
Will Grier
Ryan Finley
Jarrett Stidham
Easton Stick
Clayton Thorson
Gardner Minshew
Trace McSorley
Mason Rudolph
Kyle Lauletta
Mike White
Luke Falk
Tanner Lee
Danny Etling
Alex McGough
Logan Woodside
Davis Webb
C.J. Beathard
Joshua Dobbs
Nathan Peterman
Brad Kaaya
Chad Kelly
Jacoby Brissett
Cody Kessler
Connor Cook
Dak Prescott
Cardale Jones
Kevin Hogan
Nate Sudfeld
Jake Rudock
Brandon Allen
Jeff Driskel
Brandon Doughty
Garrett Grayson
Sean Mannion
Bryce Petty
Brett Hundley
Trevor Siemian
Logan Thomas
Tom Savage
Aaron Murray
A.J. McCarron
Zach Mettenberger
David Fales
Keith Wenning
Tajh Boyd
Garrett Gilbert
Mike Glennon
Matt Barkley
Ryan Nassib
Tyler Wilson
Landry Jones
Brad Sorensen
Zac Dysert
B.J. Daniels
Sean Renfree
Russell Wilson
Nick Foles
Kirk Cousins
Ryan Lindley
B.J. Coleman
Chandler Harnish
Terrelle Pryor
Ryan Mallett
Ricky Stanzi
T.J. Yates
Nathan Enderle
Tyrod Taylor
Greg McElroy
Colt McCoy
Mike Kafka
John Skelton
Jonathan Crompton
Rusty Smith
Dan LeFevour
Joe Webb
Tony Pike
Levi Brown
Sean Canfield
Zac Robinson
Stephen McGee
Rhett Bomar
Nate Davis
Tom Brandstater
Mike Teel
Keith Null
Curtis Painter
Kevin O'Connell
John David Booty
Dennis Dixon
Josh Johnson
Erik Ainge
Colt Brennan
Andre' Woodson
Matt Flynn
Alex Brink
Trent Edwards
Isaiah Stanback
Jeff Rowe
Troy Smith
Jordan Palmer
Tyler Thigpen
Charlie Whitehurst
Brodie Croyle
Ingle Martin
Omar Jacobs
Reggie McNeal
Bruce Gradkowski
D.J. Shockley
Charlie Frye
Andrew Walter
David Greene
Kyle Orton
Stefan Lefors
Dan Orlovsky
Adrian McPherson
Derek Anderson
James Kilian
Matt Cassel
Ryan Fitzpatrick
Matt Schaub
Luke McCown
Craig Krenzel
Andy Hall
Josh Harris
Jim Sorgi
Jeff Smoker
John Navarre
Cody Pickett
Casey Bramlet
Matt Mauck
B.J. Symons
Bradlee Van Pelt
Dave Ragone
Chris Simms
Seneca Wallace
Brian St. Pierre
Drew Henson
Brooks Bollinger
Kliff Kingsbury
Gibran Hamdan
Ken Dorsey
Josh McCown
David Garrard
Rohan Davey
Randy Fasani
Kurt Kittner
Brandon Doman
Craig Nall
J.T. O'Sullivan
Steve Bellisari
Seth Burford
Jeff Kelly
Ronald Curry
Wes Pate
Chris Weinke
Sage Rosenfels
Jesse Palmer
Mike McMahon
A.J. Feeley
Josh Booty
Josh Heupel
Giovanni Carmazzi
Chris Redman
Tee Martin
Marc Bulger
Spergon Wynn
Tom Brady
Todd Husak
JaJuan Seider
Tim Rattay
Jarious Jackson
Joe Hamilton
Brock Huard
Joe Germaine
Aaron Brooks
Kevin Daft
Michael Bishop
Chris Greisen
Scott Covington
Jonathan Quinn
Brian Griese
John Dutton
Matt Hasselbeck
Moses Moreno
Danny Wuerffel
Pat Barnes
Mike Cherry
Chuck Clements
Tony Graziani
Koy Detmer
Wally Richardson
Tony Corbin
Ronnie McAda
Bobby Hoying
Jeff Lewis
Danny Kanell
Spence Fischer
Mike Cawley
Jon Stark
Kyle Wachholtz
Stoney Case
Eric Zeier
Rob Johnson
Chad May
Dave Barr
Steve Stenstrom
Jay Barker
Jerry Colquitt
Craig Whelihan
John Walsh
Perry Klein
Doug Nussmeier
Jim Miller
Gus Frerotte
Jay Walker
Steve Matthews
Glenn Foley
Billy Joe Hobert
Mark Brunell
Gino Torretta
Craig Erickson
Casey Weldon
Will Furrer
Chris Hakel
Jeff Blake
Scott Zolak
Donald Hollas
Bill Muscrave
Craig Erickson
Paul Justin
Tommy Hodson
Peter Tom Willis
Neil O'Donnell
Troy Taylor
Cary Conklin
Scott Mitchell
Craig Kupp
John Friesz
Mike Buck
Anthony Dilweg
Erik Wilhelm
Jeff Graham
Jeff Carlson
Jeff Francis
Rodney Peete
Brent Snyder
Terrance Jones
Tom Tupa
Chris Chandler
Don McPherson
Scott Secules
Stan Humphries
Mike Perez
Kerwin Bell
Cody Carlson
Mark Vlasic
Rich Gannon
Steve Beuerlein
Kevin Sweeney
Doug Hudson
Bubby Brister
Hugh Millen
Robbie Bosco
Doug Gaynor
Mark Rypien
Stan Gelbaugh
Mike Norseth
Frank Reich
Steve Bono
Rusty Hilger
Scott Barry
Turner Gill
Walter Lewis
Tim Riordan
Frank Seurer
John Bond
Jeff Hostetler
Rick McIvor
Jay Schroeder
Steve Pelluer
Dean May
Ben Bennett
Randy Wright
Terry Nugent
John Witkowski
Scott Campbell
Jeff Christensen
Reggie Collier
Babe Laufenberg
Mike Pagel
Mike Kelley
Mike Machurek
Tom Flick
Brad Wright
Mark Herrmann
Eric Hipple
Rusty Lisch
Ed Luther
Paul McDonald
Gary Hogeboom
Scott Brunner
Craig Bradshaw
Joe Montana
Steve Dils
Dan Manucci
Rick Leach
Chuck Fusina
Mike Moroski

Fair enough, but there are some decent names on that list too. Wilson, Prescott, Cousins, Bulger, and a few others. Some of the guys we don't know or remember are not necessarily the result of being bad players, but often I think they were victims of being drafted by bad teams or bad coaches/bad schemes or whatever, and maybe if fate had picked them for other teams they'd have done fantastic. It's all academic of course because we don't have time machines to go back and experiment with what would have happened if Tom Brady went to the Jets, or if Bulger would have played for the Pats on those early 2000's Belichek teams. Who knows? I guess that's my point. The next Wilson, Manning, Brees, Brady could be some scrub taken in this years later rounds for all we know and all he needs is the right team to pick him. Since we are doing a complete rebuild by the looks of it, I highly doubt we are that "right" team, but you never know.

 

[boogiewithstu2007]

if the rumors about watson are true, I dont think they are content with lock.

and good grief the guy cant throw a spiral.

If we give up draft picks for Watson that’s gonna be frustrating… We need to start stacking this roster back up with talent … Also they shouldn’t be content with Lock, but they got him because they see something worth kicking the tires on… He’s gonna have a shit to earn the job, maybe he won’t, but he’ll most likely be given the shot …

 

[blstoker]

If we give up draft picks for Watson that’s gonna be frustrating… We need to start stacking this roster back up with talent … Also they shouldn’t be content with Lock, but they got him because they see something worth kicking the tires on… He’s gonna have a shit to earn the job, maybe he won’t, but he’ll most likely be given the shot …

Right now I view Lock as this year's Matt Flynn. Presumed to be the early favorite to be the starter, but that's no guarantee that someone else won't come in and take that spot away from him.

 

[flyerhawk]

Fair enough, but there are some decent names on that list too. Wilson, Prescott, Cousins, Bulger, and a few others. Some of the guys we don't know or remember are not necessarily the result of being bad players, but often I think they were victims of being drafted by bad teams or bad coaches/bad schemes or whatever, and maybe if fate had picked them for other teams they'd have done fantastic. It's all academic of course because we don't have time machines to go back and experiment with what would have happened if Tom Brady went to the Jets, or if Bulger would have played for the Pats on those early 2000's Belichek teams. Who knows? I guess that's my point. The next Wilson, Manning, Brees, Brady could be some scrub taken in this years later rounds for all we know and all he needs is the right team to pick him. Since we are doing a complete rebuild by the looks of it, I highly doubt we are that "right" team, but you never know.

Of course. If the Seahawks didn't have a elite defense that allowed Wilson to develop into what he became and he was instead asked to sling it from day 1, his entire career may have been different. Would Mahomes be Mahomes if he were playing for the Lions?

But if the Seahawks took Cousins or Foles instead of Wilson, would they have won a Super Bowl? It's not like the Seahawks were CERTAIN that Wilson was going to be what he was or they would have taken him in the 1st round.

Is it possible that they will find another really good QB in the draft? Sure but the odds are not in their favor.

 

[flyerhawk]

Right now I view Lock as this year's Matt Flynn. Presumed to be the early favorite to be the starter, but that's no guarantee that someone else won't come in and take that spot away from him.

Yeah. I just don't see much chance that they will step in do do again and draft Russ 2.0

 

[blstoker]

Yeah. I just don't see much chance that they will step in do do again and draft Russ 2.0

I don't see that right now. Russell was a first round talent who teams didn't like his size and so he fell. Had he been 6'2", he would've gone in the first round, not the third. I don't see even a top tier prospect this year looking like a star. but only time will tell.

 

[Anointed One]

I don't buy into the, "this is a horrible draft class for QB's"... There are always gems found in drafts... Projected great QB drafts don't always work out and neither do Poor projected QB drafts...

 

[JMR]

I don't see that right now. Russell was a first round talent who teams didn't like his size and so he fell. Had he been 6'2", he would've gone in the first round, not the third. I don't see even a top tier prospect this year looking like a star. but only time will tell.

I think that's a good point. Since Russell came in the league and disproved the height deal, you have lots of shorter QBs getting draft love. No way Kyler Murray would have went #1 overall if RW's success hadn't dispelled the myth.

 

[returnofjakedog]

I don't buy into the, "this is a horrible draft class for QB's"... There are always gems found in drafts... Projected great QB drafts don't always work out and neither do Poor projected QB drafts...

Mostly true but not always:
2007: JaMarcus Russell (Round 1, Raiders), Brady Quinn (Round 1, Browns), Kevin Kolb (Round 2, Eagles), John Beck (Round 2, Dolphins), Drew Stanton (Round 2, Lions), Trent Edwards (Round 3, Bills), Troy Smith (Round 5, Ravens), Tyler Thigpen (Round 7, Vikings), Matt Moore (undrafted, Panthers)

1996: Tony Banks (Round 2, Rams), Bobby Hoying (Round 3, Eagles), Jeff Lewis (Round 4, Broncos), Danny Kanell (Round 4, Giants), Damon Huard (undrafted, Bengals), Ray Lucas (undrafted, Patriots)

2013: EJ Manuel (Round 1, Bills), Geno Smith (Round 2, Jets), Mike Glennon (Round 3, Buccaneers), Matt Barkley (Round 4, Eagles), Ryan Nassib (Round 4, Giants), Landry Jones (Round 4, Steelers)

1976: Richard Todd (Round 1, Jets), Mike Kruczek (Round 2, Steelers), Jeb Blount (Round 2, Raiders), Gary Danielson (undrafted, Lions)

1993: Jim Druckenmiller (Round 1, 49ers), Jake Plummer (Round 2, Cardinals), Danny Wuerffel (Round 4, Saints), Koy Detmer (Round 7, Eagles), Jon Kitna (undrafted, Seahawks)

So about 10 to 12% of the time there is a draft basically devoid of quality QBs, and even if there are a couple of decent ones the odds of being the team to hit on them is pretty low.