Who was better in their prime..Pujols or Trout?

[SlinkyRedfoot]

Neighbor: Hey Roy, can you get sick from drinking piss?
Roy: I think you can.
Neighbor: Even if its your own?

Lolz.

Your real name is Roy?

 

[broncosmitty]

Trout’s OPS+ is 8 points higher as well.

Pujols career numbers have dipped a bit lately. Trouts will soon.

 

[Pure Steel]

Lolz.

Your real name is Roy?

Roy Munson......

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

Pujols career numbers have dipped a bit lately. Trouts will soon.

Insomuch as “soon” could be relative to tomorrow or ten years from now, you are absolutely right.

 

[navamind]

Pujols career numbers have dipped a bit lately. Trouts will soon.

We're not talking about career numbers, we were talking their first ~4700 PA.

 

[broncosmitty]

We're not talking about career numbers, we were talking their first ~4700 PA.

Well, those shouldn't be changing much then.

 

[PolarVortex]

I hope people don't really believe that.

He's 27, so just barely entered his prime years. IMO, a baseball player's prime years tend to be ages 26-32. His slg and OPS are notably up the last two years. So I think it is a bit premature to compare him to Pujols.

 

[Yanks23242]

I don’t think it’s even a debate. Trout’s been a full time regular for 7 years now and his OPS+ is 178. Pujols’ best 7 year run was 178...now who was better in the field and on the bases?

 

[nynasty]

He's only 27...it is certainly possible we may not have seen his best yet.

He's already got a 64.3 career WAR, and he won't be 28 until August.

He's Mickey Mantle without the bum knee

 

[Indrid Cold]

Neighbor: Hey Roy, can you get sick from drinking piss?
Roy: I think you can.
Neighbor: Even if its your own?

(Blackadder, Percy, and Baldrick are lost at sea and have just pissed into bottles that they swap for variety)
Blackadder - Is Captain Rum joining us for this bring a sample party or is he going to sit this one out?
Percy - Oh no, he's been swigging his for ages. He says he likes it. Actually, come to think of it, he started before the water ran out!

 

[Indrid Cold]

He's 27, so just barely entered his prime years. IMO, a baseball player's prime years tend to be ages 26-32. His slg and OPS are notably up the last two years. So I think it is a bit premature to compare him to Pujols.

Bill James indicated that a baseball position player's best season is most likely to occur when he is 27.
This is one reason why guys who are rookie of the year past 25 or so are not so likely to have great careers, excepting somebody like Ichiro who already has over a thousand hits in his home country's top league.

 

[Indrid Cold]

He's already got a 64.3 career WAR, and he won't be 28 until August.

He's Mickey Mantle without the bum knee

And the rampant alcoholism...which led to some of his knee issues, if you believe the story about Billy Martin running over Mick's leg with a golf cart after he fell out of his own in a drunken stupor.

 

[nynasty]

And the rampant alcoholism...which led to some of his knee issues, if you believe the story about Billy Martin running over Mick's leg with a golf cart after he fell out of his own in a drunken stupor.

The version I always heard was that it he peeled off a fly ball in deference to DiMaggio in the '51 series-got his spikes caught in a sprinkler-head and ripped the knee to shreds. Prior to that, he could allegedly go home to first in 3.1 seconds from the right side, 3.0 lefty, Purely anecdotal to be sure, but the man could fly.

 

[Indrid Cold]

The version I always heard was that it he peeled off a fly ball in deference to DiMaggio in the '51 series-got his spikes caught in a sprinkler-head and ripped the knee to shreds. Prior to that, he could allegedly go home to first in 3.1 seconds from the right side, 3.0 lefty, Purely anecdotal to be sure, but the man could fly.

The WS injury was huge and definitely happened....Willie Mays actually hit that fly ball. Mantle was.very bitter because Clipper refused to call for balls and Mantle had to watch out for him instead, Mick felt he wouldn't have gotten hurt if Joe could have just said "mine".
The golf cart story is funny and could contain a germ of truth. Mick told a great story about checking with a farmer about using his land to hunt and the guy asking him to shoot an old mule that was lame before they went out. Mick told Billy he was shooting it because the farmer wouldn't let them hunt as a gag and then Martin dropped several cows in a rage before Mantle could stop him!

 

[Clayton]

Pujols had 13 HRs in the playoffs by this point in time

Even if Trout is comparable or slightly better, Pujols had a much better career at this point.

 

[PolarVortex]

Bill James indicated that a baseball position player's best season is most likely to occur when he is 27.
This is one reason why guys who are rookie of the year past 25 or so are not so likely to have great careers, excepting somebody like Ichiro who already has over a thousand hits in his home country's top league.

Trout just complete his age 26 season and had an OPS+ of 199. Pujols' single season high in OPS+ was 192 which he accomplished at age 28. Trout's season average OPS+ through his first full 7 seasons is 178. Pujols' was 167. Trout's WAR through his first full 7 seasons is 63.8. Pujols' was 54.9.

 

[PolarVortex]

Pujols career numbers have dipped a bit lately. Trouts will soon.

Sure, if you consider 2025 (6 seasons from now) to be soon. I don't.

 

[broncosmitty]

Sure, if you consider 2025 (6 seasons from now) to be soon. I don't.

His career rate stats will be lower across the board within 3-4 years.


He isn't Superman. The body slows and doesn't rebound as well by 27 or so. Unless you're Barry Bonds.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

He's 27, so just barely entered his prime years. IMO, a baseball player's prime years tend to be ages 26-32. His slg and OPS are notably up the last two years. So I think it is a bit premature to compare him to Pujols.

measuring prime by age is a misconception... players who come in the league earlier tend to have their primes earlier, and players who come in later tend to have their primes later.... I would say it is much more accurate to say a players prime years are from year 3-7... it just happens most players come into the league at the ages 24-26

 

[scoutyjones2]

Is WAR a bit misleading when comparing today’s crop of CFs to the monsters who patrolled 1st base in the early 2000’s
D. Lee
J. Votto
R. Howard
A. Gonzales
L. Berkman
B. Bonilla
R. Klesko

LOL...Joey Votto early 2000's? WTF are you trying to say? Monsters??? Patrolled????