Where does Randy Moss rank among the GOAT WRs?

[broncosmitty]

Yeah, physically, Calvin was possibly the best ever. IMO

If he wanted it nearly as bad as Rice did, there's a good chance he could have been the GOAT.

Those times when he was healthy and motivated, he was truly unbelievable.

He didn't have the hands to be on the level of Rice. Or even Larry Fitzgerald.

He was capable of things normal humans arent. But wasn't capable of things the real greats were. Like finishing the fucking process...

I have CJ and Moss jerseys. (I travelled to watch Moss play in college a few times. He was unreal.)I'm no hater. There's just a serious gap imo from Rice downwards.

Hypotheticals on what other people may or may not think aside. I can only speak for my own opinions.

 

[jon2tanman]

95% will pick taking on Rice over Moss

I am not an NFL coach. Moss may have been better in certain years, but the total career of Rice is too much to ignore.

 

[mr.hockey4242]

This was hilarious. You know the game so well even though you are in your 20's... lolzzz

It is hilarious, watching your argument melt. Too old, too young? Which is it? Most players in the NFL are in their 20's, do they lack an understanding of the game? I've been a student of the game my entire life.

So, how do you know so much being you didn't see him play, was it watching highlight reels?

I don't bring much into highlight reels. They're intentionally made to give an inflated view of the player. I consider numbers, compared to players from both a players era and other eras. On top of watching full games, which you can find.

Moss went over the middle he just outran the people closing on him or hit the ground to avoid a big hit.

Lol... Hilarious. Baseless, useless response. You're flailing. It's pretty well known that Moss did not go across the middle very well.

"he hit the ground to avoid a big hit"... Exactly. As I said, he shied away from contact. Which is a pretty big part of going across the middle.


1,000 more targets, I find that hard to believe. The most targets Moss had in one season was 184. The most targets Rice ever had in one season was 176. That is the only time either player is in the top 25 for targets since 1990.

I specifically explained that the first few years of Rice's career they did not count targets as a stat. However, if you take his average targets over his career, and attribute them to the seasons they were not counted. Rice STILL falls short of Moss in targets.

Rice demolishes Moss in EVERY single major statistical category all-time, and did so with less targets. In a run-first era of football.

Why does Rice's career demolish what Moss did, umm Joe Montana & Steve Young might have played a role in that but you wouldn't really know being you never watched them aside from highlight reels...

So, now you are conceding that Rice's career resume demolishes Moss? Good, you're making progress towards finding enlightenment.

And now we've shifted from arguing that Moss's career was in fact good, to now falling back to the hypothetical; "Well... Moss didn't have as good of QB play!". Sorry, you're not judged for what MIGHT have happened in your career, if you had a hypothetical different circumstance. You're judged for what YOU DID.

Also, to act like Moss had poor QB play, is a joke. He had pro bowl QB's 50% of his seasons, to Rice's 57%. Is that enough to warrant the MASSIVE difference in numbers. Especially considering that he had LESS targets?

Again, it's over. You have no logical argument, except for baseless statements like; "But... BUT! HE was more explosive!"... Lol

If you weren't biased, and could look at it in terms of Player A vs Player B. You would never choose Moss.

Player A - Obliterates Player B statistically, and does so with less career targets. With pro bowl QB's in 57% of his seasons.

Player B - Falls WELL short of Player A statistically, despite having more career targets. With pro bowl QB's in 50% of his seasons.

I'll say it again...

If these were two RB's, with the discrepancy in numbers that Rice/Moss have... and the #1 RB had less career carries than the #2 RB. You would NEVER make an argument for that other RB.

It's over dude. Cut your losses. Stop embarrassing yourself, I feel bad now. You have no factual basis for your argument. It's all hypothetical scenarios and baseless nonsense.

Quit while you have some dignity.

1. You are the one who brought up young people

2. Are you aware of what Moss did when he got to play with a QB of Montana/Youngs HOF caliber?

3. Are you aware this occurred when he was already 30 years old?

 

[Yankee Traveler]

Percy Harvin??????


Ummm



Uhhhh


What is "the thing that carries a womans make up"



Lay off the herb a lil while... its doing you no favors.

Women carry their makeup in their Puss...???

 

[Yankee Traveler]

Stickum.






Because all the cool kids used it, right Jerry?

 

[knowyourenemy]

If I had to build a team and had no clue who else was going to be on the roster, I'd take Moss over Rice.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

all I have to say is thank you Randy Moss!!! thanks for making the Jets overpay for chad pennington!!!

 

[GhostOfPoverty]

If I had to build a team and had no clue who else was going to be on the roster, I'd take Moss over Rice.

This answer summed it up very nicely.

If you were starting a franchise from scratch and got to hand pick the roster from top to bottom based on all the players being in their prime, with a goal of long-term success, there's an arguement to be made for Rice.
But Moss influenced the game more than any other non-QB to ever set foot on an NFL field. The stats he managed to put up as a Viking were ridiculous when you consider that he basically carried the offense for 3 or 4 of his 7 seasons there. Had he started out with the Patriots/Bledsoe at QB and had Brady (and that entire well oiled machine of a franchise) most of his career, I'd be willing to bet he'd have 3+ rings and greater career stats than Rice.

 

[Win TWINS!!!]

Rice is 1A to Randy being 1B.

Part of Randy's problem, and what might keep him from being a 1st ballot HoFer, was his relationship with the media, and the other off-field stuff (parking meter lady, the caterers, mooning Lambeaux, marijuana, etc.).

Rice was the product of a newish offensive scheme in the West Coast and had arguably 2 top 10 all-time QBs (depending on where you rank Young). Defenses had to adjust to the scheme.

Moss WAS the offensive scheme, and defenses had to adjust to him. He altered how teams in the division drafted. Those that say he was afraid to go over the middle, and was afraid to take a hit, just didn't pay attention.

 

[Nosferatu]

Rice is 1A to Randy being 1B.

Part of Randy's problem, and what might keep him from being a 1st ballot HoFer, was his relationship with the media, and the other off-field stuff (parking meter lady, the caterers, mooning Lambeaux, marijuana, etc.).

Rice was the product of a newish offensive scheme in the West Coast and had arguably 2 top 10 all-time QBs (depending on where you rank Young). Defenses had to adjust to the scheme.

Moss WAS the offensive scheme, and defenses had to adjust to him. He altered how teams in the division drafted. Those that say he was afraid to go over the middle, and was afraid to take a hit, just didn't pay attention.

I think Young could be argued top 5!

The mooning at Lambeau thing was bullshit, people who know what goes on after a Packers know Packers fans moon the opposing teams bus and Randy was just giving some back! I don't hate many Vikings players but Matt Birk can suck a dick!

 

[Win TWINS!!!]

I think Young could be argued top 5!

The mooning at Lambeau thing was bullshit, people who know what goes on after a Packers know Packers fans moon the opposing teams bus and Randy was just giving some back! I don't hate many Vikings players but Matt Birk can suck a dick!

What problem could you have with Matt Birk? It was Joe Buck's call that blew it entirely out of proportion.

 

[Nosferatu]

What problem could you have with Matt Birk? It was Joe Buck's call that blew it entirely out of proportion.

He's a dick who called out Moss for leaving the field at Washington saying he didn't wanna play with quitters, there was 2 fucking seconds left and Randy wasn't on the return team!

 

[Win TWINS!!!]

He's a dick who called out Moss for leaving the field at Washington saying he didn't wanna play with quitters, there was 2 fucking seconds left and Randy wasn't on the return team!

Forgot about that.... hard to hate Birk over that, though. He was a competitor. Emotions. 2nd best center in Vikings history behind Tingelhoff.

 

[Nosferatu]

Forgot about that.... hard to hate Birk over that, though. He was a competitor. Emotions. 2nd best center in Vikings history behind Tingelhoff.

Kirk Lowdermilk & Dennis Swilley were better

 

[Win TWINS!!!]

Kirk Lowdermilk & Dennis Swilley were better

 

[ducky]

I love, love, love, love me some Randy Moss.

But saying he is better than Jerry Rice is just nuts.

 

[GhostOfPoverty]

I love, love, love, love me some Randy Moss.

But saying he is better than Jerry Rice is just nuts.

Great contribution to the thread. Very well thought out, informative post. I really learned something about the subject based on your insightful thoughts here.