Where does John Elway rank among GMs?

[Clayton]

The altitude factor for his arm is really overplayed, it doesn't make that much of a difference.

Having a good line, especially a good left tackle in Ryan Clady was also definitely a factor. DT wasn't really DT yet, though. He'd had a great game in the playoffs against the Steelers, but he didn't really have a breakout season until 2012.

I think Denver's previous GM deserves more credit for getting Peyton than Elway because Peyton joined the team that the other GM built before Elway made the right moves.

 

[TDs3nOut]

These options suck.

Certainly room for a Chuck Norris comparison.

 

[Broncos6482]

Certainly room for a Chuck Norris comparison.

I forgot about potato salad.

 

[Broncos6482]

I think Denver's previous GM deserves more credit for getting Peyton than Elway because Peyton joined the team that the other GM built before Elway made the right moves.

 

[TDs3nOut]

I forgot about potato salad.

Not really a fan. Elway > Norris > potato salad

 

[Clayton]

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So you're saying Elway deserves credit because he was able to sell Denver as an attractive location for peyton but the roster he was using as a foundation isnt the reason Peyton went there? Is your idea that Peyton went to Denver based mostly around the notion that Peyton trusted Elway as an act of faith? I tend to think that the roster already in place was a major factor.

 

[Gatorchip]

...If we are strictly just talking about the 1 championship...Peyton probably doesn't matter except for giving Osweiler a high bar to try and reach.

Yup, that's all I was referring to.

 

[Rock Strongo]

Best player to gm ever?

 

[Broncos6482]

So you're saying Elway deserves credit because he was able to sell Denver as an attractive location for peyton but the roster he was using as a foundation isnt the reason Peyton went there? Is your idea that Peyton went to Denver based mostly around the notion that Peyton trusted Elway as an act of faith? I tend to think that the roster already in place was a major factor.

The Broncos had the worst defense in the NFL in 2010, that had risen to 20th in 2011. Elway had already begun a complete overhaul of the roster. The team was a mess when he took over, and he showed that he could get the Broncos on the right track.

No, I don't think the old gm gets any credit for Manning signing with Denver.

 

[packerzrule]

I'd say top 5 - with the caveat of the pending doom that always surrounds a club when they invest heavily in free agency

what he has accomplished in the last few years though is remarkable, let's see if they can sustain their success

 

[Fountain City Blues]

Best player to gm ever?

There are a few good ones out there right now. Remains to be seen.

 

[Broncos6482]

Best player to gm ever?

Ozzie Newsome has to be in the discussion, although it took him 10 years to win a Super Bowl after becoming gm.

 

[Broncos6482]

There are a few good ones out there right now. Remains to be seen.

Serious question, what other former players are now GMs besides Elway and Newsome?

 

[Clayton]

The Broncos had the worst defense in the NFL in 2010, that had risen to 20th in 2011. Elway had already begun a complete overhaul of the roster. The team was a mess when he took over, and he showed that he could get the Broncos on the right track.

So Peyton was persuaded by a team going from 32nd to 20th in defense over a team like Arizona that had Larry Fitzgerald and a good defense? If thats what you want to believe but you certainly aren't going to change my opinion with that.

 

[Rock Strongo]

Ozzie Newsome has to be in the discussion, although it took him 10 years to win a Super Bowl after becoming gm.

And essentially 2 franchises.

Elway has 3 rings as a hof player and now gm.

Not much more comes to mind for other guys.

 

[Fountain City Blues]

Serious question, what other former players are now GMs besides Elway and Newsome?

A surprising number, actually. Ted Thompson and John Dorsey right off the top of my head.

 

[Broncos6482]

So Peyton was persuaded by a team going from 32nd to 20th in defense over a team like Arizona that had Larry Fitzgerald and a good defense? If thats what you want to believe but you certainly aren't going to change my opinion with that.

Then tell me why he picked Denver?

 

[Broncos6482]

Here's a list I found ranking all of the GMs. It's from before the season and had Elway at 5.

Ranking the NFL’s general managers

 

[Broncos6482]

A surprising number, actually. Ted Thompson and John Dorsey right off the top of my head.

I had no idea they played in the NFL.

 

[Fountain City Blues]

I had no idea they played in the NFL.

A lot of these guys didn't play all that long. Steve Keim for instance was signed by the Dolphins and then went to the CFL.