Yo Tee
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It's kind of like watching a car accident...you just can't forget how tragic it is.
Glad to see you can disagree respectfully...
It's kind of like watching a car accident...you just can't forget how tragic it is.
Whoever decided they should be in the top 4 teams.
So four teams played for the championship last night?
D1 football is the only major sport college or pro where opinion decides who plays for the championship.
Big whoop. They each won a game. Why should some just give them the opportunity instead of making them earn it? Play your schedule. Win your conference. Play for championship. Just like every single other sport.
By the way, this is simply not true. The NCAA tournament is largely determined by opinion as well, especially when determining many teams and their seeding. If you are saying that D-I football is the only sport that doesn't have automatic bids, then I agree with you, but I felt like these past two weeks have been the best football we've seen. I personally like the system.
But every other single sport's tournament isn't just for conference champions. So opinion still plays a big factor. I'm not sure what you are complaining about here.
Yes that is what I am saying. Teams win their conference and then someone tells them "sorry but in our opinion this other team is better".
This year it would've been either:
A) 3-Georgia vs 6-UCF & 4-Ohio State vs 5-USC
UGA/UCF winner vs 2-Oklahoma
OSU/USC winner vs 1-Clemson
B) 1-Clemson vs 8-UCF
2-Oklahoma vs 7-USC
3-Georgia vs 6-Wisconsin
4-Alabama vs 5-Ohio State
I'm not saying I'm actually in favor of making any changes either. I think it is good now too. I even told some of my friends during conference championship week that that was kinda like the quarterfinals week. ACC & SEC were literal play-in games. Big Ten was close to it as well, and even the Big 12 had some chances at it as well. I agree it's good how it is. Just more so making conversation to see if there's any better ideas.C) Leave the current system, but make some adjustments as needed.
It isn't just a 4 team playoff as it is. Since it uses a lot of information to make those final rankings it is a regular season and CCG playoff of sorts that leads to a final 4. You aren't blindly rewarding say Bama beating Mercer and treating it the same as Auburn beating Georgia (which anything based on record inherently does). You are making BOTH the quality of the match up and how they looked in the game matter just as much as final score. You would lose all perspective in any type of auto bid system.
Any form of auto anything would just screw with the system so badly it would make things quite worse IMO.
You cannot use current seasons and look at matchups under your proposed new playoffs to conclude any other system would be better because any change to an auto bid would entirely change how schools schedule OOC, and could potentially change how the conferences themselves make their schedules and/or CCG's. There is zero doubt it would bring sweeping and drastic changes.
Why is that so bad? Are you saying we should show the same respect for the MAC champion as the SEC champion? Because, if you choose the SEC champion over the MAC, or even give them a higher seed, you are stating an opinion there too.
Every sport has an opinion mixed into it when determining a tournament. The only way around it is if every team plays every other team...even then there will still be a lack of clarity on whom is better when teams have multiple losses.
March Madness?That's just not true. Bama proved that you don't have to be a conference champion to be the best team in the country...but again, your opinion is that Georgia is still the better team, and Bama shouldn't have even been in the playoffs to begin with. I just don't see the logic in your opinions.
Not for at large bids no. MAC champion should still have the opportunity to play for the championship though. Teams in tougher conferences will cry about it. They can move to weaker conferences if it is that big a deal.. It will become a question for them of choosing between money and fame. I am not interested in their economics. Only in fairness.
The downside is that right now, I believe, we have had the best 4 teams selected every playoff season. Let's keep the system that works, rather than try to force a system where a 3 loss team can sneak in the back door simply because they win their conference.
Even in a 6 or 8 team playoff...just pick the best teams. The committee deserves a lot of credit for the teams they have selected every year IMO. I know not everyone agrees with that though.
They always get it right because it's easy as hell by the time it matters as most of these things work themselves out over the season.
And please tell me why a conference championship which only takes account that conference should have national implications? A team could lose every OOC game they play in a year, lose multiple conference games but then somehow make the conference championship game and win - and that is supposed to mean something nationally?
No. If your conference champion gets left out - then there is a reason for it.
Now there is an area that can be fixed that would help the playoffs and that's for the conferences to change how they decide their champions.
Disagree. I can't see TCU getting in with a win over OU in the Big 12. Wisky or Ohio State would have taken OU's place.I'm not saying I'm actually in favor of making any changes either. I think it is good now too. I even told some of my friends during conference championship week that that was kinda like the quarterfinals week. ACC & SEC were literal play-in games. Big Ten was close to it as well, and even the Big 12 had some chances at it as well. I agree it's good how it is. Just more so making conversation to see if there's any better ideas.
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First of all, the CFP committee is a good system and I am well pleased considering what we had with the BCS. It's just that IMHO there needs to be subjective criteria in selecting playoff teams. Moving to 8 team playoff would add that with AQs for the CCs. It would also allow for the eye test to be applied to teams. The other thing is that it allows for the possibility of college campus playoff games.
March Madness?
Fair enough.I'm not saying I'm actually in favor of making any changes either. I think it is good now too. I even told some of my friends during conference championship week that that was kinda like the quarterfinals week. ACC & SEC were literal play-in games. Big Ten was close to it as well, and even the Big 12 had some chances at it as well. I agree it's good how it is. Just more so making conversation to see if there's any better ideas.
Again, I think AQ's could hurt in determining who the best teams in the country are. Also, the bigger the playoff, the less significant the regular season becomes. It just opens the tournament up to 2-3 loss teams. Again, if they expanded the playoffs I'm still watching, and LOVING the fact that Michigan has a better chance at making the playoffs, but I'd rather just see the VERY best 4-6 teams in the playoffs every year, and I think the committee does a good job determining those teams as they do now.
By the way, I believe the BCS was a formulaic system, and most people complained about it (I thought there was some formula to it IIRC). I REALLY liked this past playoff season, and wouldn't change a thing. Again, just my two cents.