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[jedburks]

It is hard for Lee to have gotten us past the 50 3 times when he only had 2 series.

 

[jwesh]

I think he had 3, 1 in the 3rd 2 in the 4th......Even if it was only 2 he still had 100% more than martinez. A lot of that has to do with the defense not being prepared for him. Really the loss has more to do with the receivers and QB anyway. Don't get me wrong, I am not a zac lee fan and I dont think it was a good idea to put him in but I do think he moved the ball well considering how much playing and practice time he had been getting.

 

[corn train]

it looked like when lee was driving that it made the defense a little off balance cause they didn't really know if he would throw or run, which is why they still called the draw plays when he came in. When Taylor was in they pretty much knew there would be no throwing, it would be a draw every time. I don't like the fact that we abandoned the TE position completely almost just so that they can block for a draw, if everyone's passing route consists of a 5-10yd post then assume the blocking position that pretty much gives it away right off the bat for the entire d backfield

 

[jedburks]

I think he had 3, 1 in the 3rd 2 in the 4th......Even if it was only 2 he still had 100% more than martinez. A lot of that has to do with the defense not being prepared for him. Really the loss has more to do with the receivers and QB anyway. Don't get me wrong, I am not a zac lee fan and I dont think it was a good idea to put him in but I do think he moved the ball well considering how much playing and practice time he had been getting.

You may "think" he had 3 and not believe me but I am not "thinking" he had 2. I am telling you that he only had 2.

I know you are not trying to get on Lee's nuts. Lee's 2nd series went 12 plays for 21 yards. Is that moving the ball?

Lee's first series went for 80+ but had 30 yards of penalties in key situations. Texas only had 4 penalties for 53 yards so that was more than half of their penalty yards. Taylor didn't have that luxury of penalty yards helping him.

 

[jwesh]

it looked like when lee was driving that it made the defense a little off balance cause they didn't really know if he would throw or run, which is why they still called the draw plays when he came in. When Taylor was in they pretty much knew there would be no throwing, it would be a draw every time. I don't like the fact that we abandoned the TE position completely almost just so that they can block for a draw, if everyone's passing route consists of a 5-10yd post then assume the blocking position that pretty much gives it away right off the bat for the entire d backfield

I thought the same thing, They knew what Martinez would but Lee surprised them and threw them off balance. The receivers and play calling in my opinion were the real problem.

 

[huskers1217]

I am one that has never believed in Taylor starting from the get go......

This loss; however, has to be shared by all of the team. Special teams didn't really do the offense any favors...

 

[jwesh]

You may "think" he had 3 and not believe me but I am not "thinking" he had 2. I am telling you that he only had 2.

I know you are not trying to get on Lee's nuts. Lee's 2nd series went 12 plays for 21 yards. Is that moving the ball?

Lee's first series went for 80+ but had 30 yards of penalties in key situations. Texas only had 4 penalties for 53 yards so that was more than half of their penalty yards. Taylor didn't have that luxury of penalty yards helping him.

You are right, it was 2 but he did more in 2 than Martinez did in 9
Martinez:
15:00 1 01:32 NEB 20 3 9 Punt
10:13 1 00:15 NEB 21 1 0 Fumble
08:06 1 01:33 NEB 20 3 2 Punt
04:05 1 04:56 NEB 18 12 54 Field Goal Good
13:13 2 01:57 NEB 37 3 3 Punt
08:44 2 02:53 NEB 25 8 29 Punt
04:31 2 01:36 NEB 28 3 5 Punt
12:10 3 01:46 NEB 3 3 7 Punt
08:52 3 01:02 NEB 32 3 4 Punt

Lee:
06:14 3 05:47 NEB 6 16 83 Field Goal Good
13:34 4 06:33 NEB 41 12 21 Turnover on Downs

 

[jwesh]

I am one that has never believed in Taylor starting from the get go......

This loss; however, has to be shared by all of the team. Special teams didn't really do the offense any favors...

I agree, it was a team loss, it was not his fault. And I think Martinez will be able to run all over OSU.

 

[jedburks]

Plus Lee got another 15 yard penalty in his 2nd series to give him an automatic 1st down after the offensive pass interference. So Lee was the recipient of 45 free yards and 3 automatic first downs in key situations.

 

[Nebraska885]

I just want to see a fullback start between the QB and HB as a blocker. I don't care what his name is....

 

[Big Red Said]

If Zac Lee was our starter, Nebraska WOULD STILL BE UNDEFEATED!!!

We all saw how Zac Lee calmed his offensive teammates down while in the huddle. Again, I'm not bashing Martinez because I believe he'll improve and be a great player down the road for our team.



I still have a yelling hangover from yesterday!

Why did Nebraska move the length of the field in Lee's first series? Well it was certainly helped by 2 15 yard penalties. 1 of those helped us on what would have been 3rd and 12. And the 2nd series we went 12 plays and 21 yards. That isn't exactly marching it down the field in style.

I am not bashing Lee or even you for your opinion. I just don't see it the way you are.

And the defense played better in the 2nd half since the noticed Texas wasn't going to throw the ball EVER. After Texas' first series of the 2nd half they threw only TWO passes!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Even I could play good defense when I know they are just going to do one thing.

Zorbi, although I have appreciated your post over the years (Disney) this comment has absolutely no merit!

1. Above and beyond what Jed stated above, Texas changed their "D" scheme to allow short gains (Time management/Clock usage).

2. Had passes been caught throughout the game, the situation involving Lee would not have come up.

I am not bashing you, but to say we would be 6 and 0 with Lee as starter is saying you know what’s better for the team then Bo.

I highly doubt that Bo makes a personnel decision that places 2nd or 3rd best players on the field at anytime and for you to suggest that Lee would have brought us to 6-0….. is ridiculous.

I am not a Lee basher either, but Bo knows who to play and when to play them....

Go Big Red!

 

[Exorbitant]

A QB change can make a huge difference. Over the years I've seen many different situations where this has occurred.

I've give one instance when Osborne was still our coach. Back in 1975 NU was playing Miami and we weren't moving the ball until a QB by the name of Vince Ferragamo was placed into the game... NU went on to win 31-16.

I don't know for sure if a loss would've occurred without Ferragamo, but there was good chance we would have lost.

I truly believe we would have won the game with Lee in there for most of the game.
After the first quarter it was obvious to me and should have been even more obvious to our coaching staff that Martinez needed to be benched. He will be a really good to great QB in time, but he's still very young and inexperienced.

I know we have some other problems besides QB to iron out, but most of those problems are fixable too.

 

[iruletheskool]

I would like to know what Martinez did that was so terrible.. and what made it "obvious" he needed to be benched

 

[Exorbitant]

Zorbi, although I have appreciated your post over the years (Disney) this comment has absolutely no merit!

1. Above and beyond what Jed stated above, Texas changed their "D" scheme to allow short gains (Time management/Clock usage).

2. Had passes been caught throughout the game, the situation involving Lee would not have come up.

I am not bashing you, but to say we would be 6 and 0 with Lee as starter is saying you know what’s better for the team then Bo.

I highly doubt that Bo makes a personnel decision that places 2nd or 3rd best players on the field at anytime and for you to suggest that Lee would have brought us to 6-0….. is ridiculous.

I am not a Lee basher either, but Bo knows who to play and when to play them....

Go Big Red!

WRONG! My comment does have a lot of merit. Just because I'm not the head coach doesn't mean the head coach is right 100% of the time over a fan {me} who has seen many football games in over 40 years. Martinez and the whole offensive team was rattled by Texas and Lee, because of his experience and maturity level would have calmed down that rattled unit.
A calmed down and a more relaxed offensive unit would have performed better. More relaxed receivers are much more likely to catch their passes, instead of trying too hard to make plays.

Disclaimer: Bo Pelini is right 99% of the time. I'm right about 1% of the time when it comes to NU football decisions!


You do make some good points also.

 

[Exorbitant]

I would like to know what Martinez did that was so terrible.. and what made it "obvious" he needed to be benched

Where did I say he did terrible? I do think he got rattled though. I'll say it again, he will be a very good to great player for us down the road.

 

[jwesh]

I think they were just looking to mix things up with a backup qb that is all. It did seem to throw off the texas D a little.

 

[Stray35]

I think they were just looking to mix things up with a backup qb that is all. It did seem to throw off the texas D a little.

Exactly!! Just like last year when Green would come in for Lee. Changing QBs didn't change the recievers catching skills, or lack there of.

 

[Exorbitant]

Exactly!! Just like last year when Green would come in for Lee. Changing QBs didn't change the recievers catching skills, or lack there of.

The only difference when Green came in things didn't get better, or they got worse.

Against UT things got better with Lee in there.

 

[Jack_John_Mark]

I'm a big fan of Lee.......I think the guy is a great guy for sticking it out and taking his demotion like a man.

With that said, seriously the guy doesn't possess the tools to help this team win the rest of the games this season. He locks on to his receivers 10x worse than Martinez, and Martinez is just plain way too much of a threat with his legs when he's on the field to keep him off the field.

When Lee came in Texas didn't change their scheme because they were worried about his passing abilities............do you think they forgot the Big 12 Championship last year when Lee completed 31% of his passes, threw 3 interceptions, and recorded the lowest QB rating in Nebraska football history?

No, they were not worried about Lee passing the football. It was late in the game, and Texas was starting to key on burning the clock. They covered up receivers and allowed Lee to take off for 3 yard scampers because it keeps the clock running.

There is a lot more that goes into scheming during a game than what we realize.......and burning the clock in that situation was what they were scheming to do.

 

[Big Red Said]

The only difference when Green came in things didn't get better, or they got worse.

Against UT things got better with Lee in there.

I'm a big fan of Lee.......I think the guy is a great guy for sticking it out and taking his demotion like a man.

With that said, seriously the guy doesn't possess the tools to help this team win the rest of the games this season. He locks on to his receivers 10x worse than Martinez, and Martinez is just plain way too much of a threat with his legs when he's on the field to keep him off the field.

When Lee came in Texas didn't change their scheme because they were worried about his passing abilities............do you think they forgot the Big 12 Championship last year when Lee completed 31% of his passes, threw 3 interceptions, and recorded the lowest QB rating in Nebraska football history?

No, they were not worried about Lee passing the football. It was late in the game, and Texas was starting to key on burning the clock. They covered up receivers and allowed Lee to take off for 3 yard scampers because it keeps the clock running.There is a lot more that goes into scheming during a game than what we realize.......and burning the clock in that situation was what they were scheming to do.

JJM on the money... see my post 8 post up...

And Zorbi, what the heck did you see that I did not?

"Got Better"

I must be an idiot because I seen the same old clock wasting, indecisive, telegraphing Zac that was there last year!

I am not trying to beat on Zac, he is a good kid, but c'mon... He does not possess half the talent that Martinez does!

Of course, I never played on that side of the ball, but I would have much rather faced a QB like Lee then a QB like Martinez any day.

I have to say.... I am just baffled by these comments!

Go Big Red!