what does tannehill's contract mean for Rg3 ?

[skinsdad62]

What does Ryan Tannehills extension mean for the Redskins RG3? | Rich Tandler's Real Redskins

here are the comparisons

now do you pay Rg3 that kind of cash at this time or when his contract expires ?

 

[Sharkinva]

It means the same thing the picking up of the option meant... its put up or shut up time for RG3. If he continues to get worse, thre is no way you pay him what Tannehill got and darn sure not MORE than that.

 

[ehb5]

Hard to say just because there is such a wide range of possibilities based off of how rg3 plays this year.

 

[Stymietee]

I just put up my giant golf umbrella in anticipation of the kickback I'll get after making this statement:
As the years go on the conversations will be heatedly debated as to who was the best QB of the 2012 class. Right now, you would probably guess Andrew Luck and any other QB selected in that draft except RG III, and you would be wrong. We have not seen the best of Griffith yet!

 

[Stymietee]

Oops Griffin , my mistake!

 

[j_y19]

I just put up my giant golf umbrella in anticipation of the kickback I'll get after making this statement:
As the years go on the conversations will be heatedly debated as to who was the best QB of the 2012 class. Right now, you would probably guess Andrew Luck and any other QB selected in that draft except RG III, and you would be wrong. We have not seen the best of Griffith yet!

I hope you are right, but I wouldn't bet on it at this point. He certainly has the potential, he just needs to get his mental game right.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

No way Griffin every becomes better than Luck, I was saying that half way their rookie seasons. I still believe Tennehill will never be more than an average NFL starter, a guy just good enough to get you beat in the big playoff games. But this is the market these days, ask Jay Cutler.

As for how it effects Griffin it really doesn't right? At least not for another 2 years. Everyone will have a much better idea of who hie is then than now. If he's great then he will get a bigger deal, they keep going up not down. If he stinks well he's on his own. What I fear, and what will probably happen, is he will be a tease and play just well enough in stretches to make it a hard decision.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

No way that anyone - not even RG3 himself, Gruden, SM or any Redskins player - knows at this pt whether RG3 will be a star or an eventual bust or journeyman. That is just a bunch of hype with no basis.

He has a lot of talent & potential but obviously quite a few flaws. If he doesn't learn how to have a better pocket presence, see the field better, make quicker decisions & slide & run to safety better (among other things) he will never truly succeed. Will he improve enough in these areas? Nobody truly knows. I hope so & it will make next season interesting.

To even include him in a conversation with Andrew Luck at this time is foolish. Let's let this thing play out before making bold statements that have no basis.

 

[Stymietee]

No way that anyone - not even RG3 himself, Gruden, SM or any Redskins player - knows at this pt whether RG3 will be a star or an eventual bust or journeyman. That is just a bunch of hype with no basis.

He has a lot of talent & potential but obviously quite a few flaws. If he doesn't learn how to have a better pocket presence, see the field better, make quicker decisions & slide & run to safety better (among other things) he will never truly succeed. Will he improve enough in these areas? Nobody truly knows. I hope so & it will make next season interesting.

To even include him in a conversation with Andrew Luck at this time is foolish. Let's let this thing play out before making bold statements that have no basis.

Just wondering......who made a bold statement? Especially one that includes him in any conversation with Luck or any of his fellow QB draftees RIGHT NOW?

Let me ask you this, if RGIII and R. Wilson were drafted the former by Seattle the latter by DC isn't it more likely than not that Griffin would be hailed and Wilson considered a bust. They IMHO are resultant products of the systems that they have played in.

 

[Stymietee]

No way Griffin every becomes better than Luck, I was saying that half way their rookie seasons. I still believe Tennehill will never be more than an average NFL starter, a guy just good enough to get you beat in the big playoff games. But this is the market these days, ask Jay Cutler.

As for how it effects Griffin it really doesn't right? At least not for another 2 years. Everyone will have a much better idea of who hie is then than now. If he's great then he will get a bigger deal, they keep going up not down. If he stinks well he's on his own. What I fear, and what will probably happen, is he will be a tease and play just well enough in stretches to make it a hard decision.

Read my post again.

 

[redseat]

It means the same thing the picking up of the option meant... its put up or shut up time for RG3. If he continues to get worse, thre is no way you pay him what Tannehill got and darn sure not MORE than that.

Hasn't it already been put up or shut up for a few years now?

 

[Sharkinva]

Hasn't it already been put up or shut up for a few years now?

That depends on who you talk to. Not the debate to start right now, but some feel we havent seen his best yet. Others of us feel that his best is not conducive to what we actually need from a QB.

 

[redseat]

That depends on who you talk to. Not the debate to start right now, but some feel we havent seen his best yet. Others of us feel that his best is not conducive to what we actually need from a QB.

Crap. Thought this was the NFL Board.. Sorry, wasn't trying to stir things up.

He does have a lot to prove and him getting hurt certainly doesn't help that. Hope he heals up and performs like he can

 

[Sharkinva]

Crap. Thought this was the NFL Board.. Sorry, wasn't trying to stir things up.

He does have a lot to prove and him getting hurt certainly doesn't help that. Hope he heals up and performs like he can

NO worries, we tend to stir things up on our own around here.

For the sake of the team I hope he can get his stuff together... but I will admit that I think we are going to still be in the hunt for a QB in 2016.

 

[redseat]

NO worries, we tend to stir things up on our own around here.

For the sake of the team I hope he can get his stuff together... but I will admit that I think we are going to still be in the hunt for a QB in 2016.

haha. perhaps I shall have to check in from time to time to see it

Yeah, I really don't think the Redskins (if we can even call them that now) are going to be looking for a QB and I don't think they will pay him the money like Tannehill got.

 

[Stymietee]

Hasn't it already been put up or shut up for a few years now?

Actually NO! He's been mired on a team that has no clue how to properly use him. At this level he is being asked to do more than is required to consistently win. My fears are that J. Gruden also has no clue as he too is in OJT mode.

Our division is one that beats others at the LOS, just look at every other team in it and you'll see all employ run first attitudes, not that weak junk that MS used nor so far the pass happy system that Gruden uses. Griffin is not the guy for either. Unfortunately it's gonna take a HC with the temperament of a Parcells or P. Carroll to maximize Griffin's gifts. I'm still holding out hope that Gruden's learning curve is not too steep and that he's taking his cues from SM in the way that he drafts and speaks publicly about the type of team he envisions here.

 

[skinsdad62]

i have said it before and i will say it again , that "potential " buzz word for people clinging to hope has left the station .

in year 4 we should be talking about mastering the qb position not talking about "his potential " his production is garbage and russell wilson "worst year " 20 tds 7 ints is just about equal to his 20 td 5 int rookie year yet some believe Rg3 is a better passer . hogwash

in fact right now tannehill is a better qb and he is supposed to be avg

now he has a long way to come from being a lower 1/3 qb in the nfl and what i expect from Rg3 is mediorce passing numbers , and a guy living off a fluke rookie year . his injury robbed him of his best weapon but as long as he plays like he does vs tampa bay (and all to often he does KC game anyone ?) then he will be hyped for potential but in reality he is in the tavaris jackson category of BU/hanger on

show me on the field he is something and stop talking to me about "potential " you will "potential " your ass right into the scrap heap of broken dreams and cardale jones

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Actually NO! He's been mired on a team that has no clue how to properly use him. At this level he is being asked to do more than is required to consistently win. My fears are that J. Gruden also has no clue as he too is in OJT mode.

Our division is one that beats others at the LOS, just look at every other team in it and you'll see all employ run first attitudes, not that weak junk that MS used nor so far the pass happy system that Gruden uses. Griffin is not the guy for either. Unfortunately it's gonna take a HC with the temperament of a Parcells or P. Carroll to maximize Griffin's gifts. I'm still holding out hope that Gruden's learning curve is not too steep and that he's taking his cues from SM in the way that he drafts and speaks publicly about the type of team he envisions here.

Please - that is a cop out. I am a bigger RG3 fan than most but also realize that he has more than his fair share of shortcomings mainly related to putting in the time to truly learn the NFL version of the QB position. Absolutely - RG3 has been hurt by coaching & a weak line & even defense.

However - he only needs to look in the mirror to discover the source of many of his problems. Line problems or not - you can't hold onto to the ball forever, you can't focus in on only one receiver, you cannot take on NFL LBs or make lousy slides on runs. You also have to obtain a certain amt of pocket presence & just have a general awareness of the field. These are all on RG3 - sure coaching will help but the majority of the burden is on the player.

I am pulling for him 100%. However - if he falls short I will wish him good luck & pin my hopes on the next QB that takes over this team. After all - I am a Redskins fan first & foremost & not a fan of any given player. Sooner or later a player has to demonstrate personal accountability.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

NO worries, we tend to stir things up on our own around here.

For the sake of the team I hope he can get his stuff together... but I will admit that I think we are going to still be in the hunt for a QB in 2016.

I think that is the beauty of the current situation. I have no idea how the QB situation will pan out moving forward. However - even if all QBs on the current roster fail this team should still be in a position to succeed in the long term. I don't think that you could realistically state that prior to this offseason.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Just wondering......who made a bold statement? Especially one that includes him in any conversation with Luck or any of his fellow QB draftees RIGHT NOW?

Let me ask you this, if RGIII and R. Wilson were drafted the former by Seattle the latter by DC isn't it more likely than not that Griffin would be hailed and Wilson considered a bust. They IMHO are resultant products of the systems that they have played in.

Not necessarily. You are pretty naive if you believe that Wilson & RG3 play the position in a similar manner. Wilson was much more NFL ready coming out of college. Sure - he doesn't play the traditional NFL QB role, but he plays the position in a much more intelligent & professional manner than RG3 (at least for now - could change if RG3 improves).

Wilson knows when to run out of bounds & has a much better presence on the field. Sure - RG3 would have likely had more success with Seahawks since they are a better team. However - not so sure he would have had same success as Wilson since he would have probably been injured more often & made more mistakes. In a similar manner - yes Wilson would not have won a SB with Redskins but would have possibly played the position better long term & be on the right track (although it may have meant not getting SM).