'We're playing for the whole thing': Chris Sale, Sox have a plan to keep the ace fresh for Playoffs

[Cyder]

pedro had the yankees
sale has the indians

The Yanks didn't hit Pedro hard, they managed to keep the game close until it became a battle of the bullpens and would usually win late.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

Then I don't get the point. I'm assuming the reason he had more games in those months is just because of the way the days fell, not that they changed his routine to fit in an extra start those months. That shouldn't affect his ERA. What am I missing?

I agree.

I don't think the fact that he had more GS in May and August has anything to do with his inflated ERAs in those months.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

The Yanks didn't hit Pedro hard, they managed to keep the game close until it became a battle of the bullpens and would usually win late.

Yeah, Pedro's ERA vs NYY is only about a quarter run more than his career ERA, which doesn't seem that outrageous given how powerful those Yankees offenses were and the fact that he faced them more than any other team in baseball.

For comparison purposes, Sale's ERA vs CLE is nearly two full runs higher than his career ERA.

 

[Cyder]

Yeah, Pedro's ERA vs NYY is only about a quarter run more than his career ERA, which doesn't seem that outrageous given how powerful those Yankees offenses were and the fact that he faced them more than any other team in baseball.

For comparison purposes, Sale's ERA vs CLE is nearly two full runs higher than his career ERA.

Pedro being a right hander playing 1/2 those games in Yankee stadium with the cozy porch can explain the quarter run.

 

[Cedrique]

I agree.

I don't think the fact that he had more GS in May and August has anything to do with his inflated ERAs in those months.

Yeah the problem with trying to predict future games or figure out which things are important with Splits stats is that you really don't have enough data points to get anything meaningful until a guy's career is almost over. But Sale has been around a little while and he does seem to be better up until August. (May last year was an outlier. He is good in May overall) So maybe he gets tired by the end of the year or something. He also has a real high Babip in Sept/Oct in 53 games so maybe it's bad luck, maybe he gets his pitches up more.

But regardless of any of this stuff he's a good pitcher overall so you would assume if he gets another chance in the playoffs he will do better. He can't put up numbers much worse than he did in the playoffs last year.

 

[Cedrique]

Also is there a plan to keep David Price from sucking in the playoffs?

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

He can't put up numbers much worse than he did in the playoffs last year.

David Price: Hold my beer.

 

[Cedrique]

David Price: Hold my beer.

The biggest postseason letdown since James "Big Game" Shields (Greatest nickname ever, like the 350 lb biker that everyone calls "tiny")

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

The biggest postseason letdown since James "Big Game" Shields (Greatest nickname ever, like the 350 lb biker that everyone calls "tiny")

David "The" Price "Is Wrong, Bitch."

 

[Fountain City Blues]

 

[Rock Strongo]

Then I don't get the point. I'm assuming the reason he had more games in those months is just because of the way the days fell, not that they changed his routine to fit in an extra start those months. That shouldn't affect his ERA. What am I missing?

just a simple correlation between higher innings/month and bad numbers.

 

[Cedrique]

just a simple correlation between higher innings/month and bad numbers.

That's completely random.

 

[Rock Strongo]

The Yanks didn't hit Pedro hard, they managed to keep the game close until it became a battle of the bullpens and would usually win late.

he gave more HR's to only 2 teams, atlanta and philly. pedro was .500 (min 10 starts) vs only 2 teams.

atlanta and NY, both 11-11.

hes had worse numbers vs other teams, sure...but the yankees were his daddy for a reason.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

he gave more HR's to only 2 teams, atlanta and philly.

That stands to reason. He pitched more innings vs the Yankees than any other team, and they were one of the most potent offenses in MLB during that time.

pedro was .500 (min 10 starts) vs only 2 teams.

atlanta and NY, both 11-11.

Wins and losses? Ewww. Wouldn't even consider that relevant unless I saw what kind of run support he was getting vs the Yankees.

hes had worse numbers vs other teams, sure...but the yankees were his daddy for a reason.

Yeah, because it's a huge rivalry the media blew up that sound byte of him saying "tip my cap..."

It's nonsense.

Pedro vs NYY
3.20 ERA
1.075 WHIP
10.8 K/9
4.14 K/BB
6.8 IP/GS

If that makes the Yankees Pedro's daddy, then the Indians are Sale's Daddy, Uncle, Grandfather, Great Grandfather, Jesus, Mohammad and Buddha all in one.

Sale vs CLE
4.78 ERA

 

[Rock Strongo]

That stands to reason. He pitched more innings vs the Yankees than any other team, and they were one of the most potent offenses in MLB during that time.



Wins and losses? Ewww. Wouldn't even consider that relevant unless I saw what kind of run support he was getting vs the Yankees.



Yeah, because it's a huge rivalry the media blew up that sound byte of him saying "tip my cap..."

It's nonsense.

Pedro vs NYY
3.20 ERA
1.075 WHIP
10.8 K/9
4.14 K/BB
6.8 IP/GS

If that makes the Yankees Pedro's daddy, then the Indians are Sale's Daddy, Uncle, Grandfather, Great Grandfather, Jesus, Mohammad and Buddha all in one.

Sale vs CLE
4.78 ERA

he had a 2.52 ERA (2.26 if you remove his nearly 4.00 ERA his last year here) career as a member of the AL east

3.20 is significantly higher.

 

[nynasty]

Yanks plan vs Pedro was to always get his pitch count up. Take lots of pitches, hope to foul off a bunch more, and see if they could get him over 100 by the 7th inning.

They rarely hammered him, more just tried to wait him out.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

he had a 2.52 ERA (2.26 if you remove his nearly 4.00 ERA his last year here) career as a member of the AL east

3.20 is significantly higher.

Yeah, and 16% of his starts against NYY took place when he was not a member of the AL East, including four starts from '05-'09 in which he carried a 2.93 ERA against NYY and a 3.86 overall.

I don't know if you like the "Yankees were Pedro's daddy" story because you bought all the hype surrounding that sound byte, or if it makes you feel better about Sale and the Indians, or some other reason, but it's just not true.

3.20 ERA, 4.14 K/BB does not equal having a daddy. He may have gotten knocked around a few times during those heated rivalry games, but that's it.

 

[Rock Strongo]

3.20 ERA, 4.14 K/BB does not equal having a daddy. He may have gotten knocked around a few times during those heated rivalry games, but that's it.

it does if you are 11-11 vs that team (only 1 other team can boat that vs pedro min 10 starts)

again, his career ERA is 2.93 (lower than 3.20!) and his career ERA in boston, less his final limp it out year, was a RUN LOWER at 2.26.

 

[Rock Strongo]

Yeah, and 16% of his starts against NYY took place when he was not a member of the AL East, including four starts from '05-'09 in which he carried a 2.93 ERA against NYY and a 3.86 overall.

I don't know if you like the "Yankees were Pedro's daddy" story because you bought all the hype surrounding that sound byte, or if it makes you feel better about Sale and the Indians, or some other reason, but it's just not true.

3.20 ERA, 4.14 K/BB does not equal having a daddy. He may have gotten knocked around a few times during those heated rivalry games, but that's it.

5 ALCS starts vs NYY...

his ERA is 4.72 in those games, and thats WITH his 7 IP, 2 H, 12k shutout of the yanks in his first ALCS start.

his last 4 ALCS starts vs NYY?

27.1 IP
30 hits
18 ER
5 HR
11 walks
28 K's


daddy.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

it does if you are 11-11 vs that team (only 1 other team can boat that vs pedro min 10 starts)

Wins again. . .

again, his career ERA is 2.93 (lower than 3.20!) and his career ERA in boston, less his final limp it out year, was a RUN LOWER at 2.26.

Again, his career ERA is about a quarter run higher against a perennially stacked offensive team that saw him more than any other team. That's reasonable.