well lets take stock

[skinsdad62]

I'll respond to you and say I haven't given up on Griff at all. Yes he has not had a good year, but his struggles seem fixable to me. I maintain it's way too early for any long term assessment.

look i am a rose colored wearing homer who is naive

greater football minds then mine and more rational ones believe griff is a bust

i now fully understand that i should have bashed this trade from the outset and should have stuck to my corp principal of getting a strong LOS and build from there

after 2 seasons he has proven he is nothing without his legs , is unwilling to rehab and study film at the same time , cant read defenses and never will, and will undercut the coach at every opportunity because he is an entitled primadonna with awful parents

 

[gkekoa]

Have you not read anything I wrote Dad? Show me where I stated he can't be great.


I have already stated I wouldn't give up on him yet.

 

[Sharkinva]

look i am a rose colored wearing homer who is naive

Yea,, you can be at times.

greater football minds then mine and more rational ones believe griff is a bust

Who said he was a bust. Just because we are not ready to put him in canton or the Vatican just yet, you get all bent out of shape.

i now fully understand that i should have bashed this trade from the outset and should have stuck to my corp principal of getting a strong LOS and build from there

after 2 seasons he has proven he is nothing without his legs , is unwilling to rehab and study film at the same time , cant read defenses and never will, and will undercut the coach at every opportunity because he is an entitled primadonna with awful parents

NO after two seasons he has proven that he wasnt nearly as a finished product as one would expect for what we gave up to get him. He has at times come of an a petulant little child or some one who feels he is entitled to start. Now maybe this can be fixed. Without the run he is an average QB at best.


Lastly... werent you calling me melodramatic three weeks ago?? Calm down, have a beer, a midol or go do the monk woosaahhh thing or something man.


~Putting on my replica Skinsdad glasses~ Bright side... we cant really be any worse next year, and if we are atleast we wont be giving the Rams our 1st rounder in 2015 as well.

 

[j_y19]

Dad, while I disagree with Shark and Dean about RG3, its not fair to say that they think he is a bust. Shark's point, if i understand it correctly, is that we paid way too much for him and he isn't what we all think he is. Shark has also said that he may turn out to be a good QB, but its no guarantee. His feelings are that for the price we paid, his success should be measured in SB trophies and be all but guaranteed.

Dean also thinks RG3 is the future. His issue was more about this year. He just feels that Kirk gave us a better chance to win this year alone.

I disagree with both of them, but understand, and respect, shark's point. RG3 isn't what I thought we were getting.....yet. The difference is I see the unreal abilities he has and a very intelligent kid that has unlimited potential. With the right training, I'm still very confident RG3 can be a difference maker in this league.

 

[skinsdad62]

Dad, while I disagree with Shark and Dean about RG3, its not fair to say that they think he is a bust. Shark's point, if i understand it correctly, is that we paid way too much for him and he isn't what we all think he is. Shark has also said that he may turn out to be a good QB, but its no guarantee. His feelings are that for the price we paid, his success should be measured in SB trophies and be all but guaranteed.

Dean also thinks RG3 is the future. His issue was more about this year. He just feels that Kirk gave us a better chance to win this year alone.

I disagree with both of them, but understand, and respect, shark's point. RG3 isn't what I thought we were getting.....yet. The difference is I see the unreal abilities he has and a very intelligent kid that has unlimited potential. With the right training, I'm still very confident RG3 can be a difference maker in this league.

wait i saw a thread asking who would RG3 throw under a bus this time ? GK did you write that ? no . didnt some one call him RGME ?

didnt someone say that if he didnt win 2 superbowls by year 4 the trade was a failure ? isnt that saying he is a bust ?

didnt some one in this thread say that when you give up what we gave for RG3 that he has to be an ELITE player ?

and if the # 2 overall draft pick isnt elite doesnt that make him a BUST ?

isnt saying play KC mean that RG3 isnt the guy ? isnt the health issue a load of BS and that puuting in some new starters is/was a way to address the "health issues " ?

and hey isnt 2 years enough time to figure out if he is elite . ?

wasnt someone tired of all the excuses being made as to why RG3 wasnt elite . the injury is an excuse ?

so why am i being asked about who said who was a bust and what not ?

 

[skinsdad62]

I'm not familiar with Gallipoli so I will look it up. But I still have issues with your example. The LT has other options. He has some sort of HR.

RG3 should have gone to his position coach. He should have gone to Kyle. He should have then gone to mike. If he doesn't get anywhere, he pulls himself, saying he isn't healthy enough to run the scheme being called.

there is no HR in the army jy

you have a chain of command and you have resources but to use the resources you need to inform your chain of command

my example is exactly how it should be

 

[Sharkinva]

wait i saw a thread asking who would RG3 throw under a bus this time ? GK did you write that ? no . didnt some one call him RGME ?

didnt someone say that if he didnt win 2 superbowls by year 4 the trade was a failure ? isnt that saying he is a bust ?

didnt some one in this thread say that when you give up what we gave for RG3 that he has to be an ELITE player ?

and if the # 2 overall draft pick isnt elite doesnt that make him a BUST ?

isnt saying play KC mean that RG3 isnt the guy ? isnt the health issue a load of BS and that puuting in some new starters is/was a way to address the "health issues " ?

and hey isnt 2 years enough time to figure out if he is elite . ?

wasnt someone tired of all the excuses being made as to why RG3 wasnt elite . the injury is an excuse ?

so why am i being asked about who said who was a bust and what not ?

After he had thrown the OC under the bus one week, then the WRs under the bus the next week... it was a very valid question following another poor performance.

And yes he was acting like poor little old RGMe.

And dont exagerate. I said if the trade doesnt bring two Lombardis then yes it is a failure. I never said within his first four years. But If the best we get is a division title, then yes he will be a bust.

And if you are calling him a franchise QB, thats saying he is elite. Some of us dont think he is at the moment and that number of draft picks given up should NOT determine that a player is a franchise QB.

 

[j_y19]

wait i saw a thread asking who would RG3 throw under a bus this time ? GK did you write that ? no . didnt some one call him RGME ?

didnt someone say that if he didnt win 2 superbowls by year 4 the trade was a failure ? isnt that saying he is a bust ?

didnt some one in this thread say that when you give up what we gave for RG3 that he has to be an ELITE player ?

and if the # 2 overall draft pick isnt elite doesnt that make him a BUST ?

isnt saying play KC mean that RG3 isnt the guy ? isnt the health issue a load of BS and that puuting in some new starters is/was a way to address the "health issues " ?

and hey isnt 2 years enough time to figure out if he is elite . ?

wasnt someone tired of all the excuses being made as to why RG3 wasnt elite . the injury is an excuse ?

so why am i being asked about who said who was a bust and what not ?

And I disagree with many of those statements. But I don't think I've ever seen Shark say he is a bust yet. He has said the trade was a bust. There is a difference.

 

[skinsdad62]

And I disagree with many of those statements. But I don't think I've ever seen Shark say he is a bust yet. He has said the trade was a bust. There is a difference.

the above statements arent talking around it ?

maybe my memory is wrong shark but i could have sworn you said 4 years and someone said that was foolish (not me ) and that you amended it

if not my apologies

if you pick a guy # 2 overall in the draft and he isnt an elite guy then he is a bust . how can that be disputed ?

and if you go with that then mike vick lite sounds awfully close to being called a bust if you are the number 2 overall

 

[Krusheasy]

After he had thrown the OC under the bus one week.......

Dan & Griffin coziness is one reason he felt he could publicly diss his coach.

 

[j_y19]

the above statements arent talking around it ?

maybe my memory is wrong shark but i could have sworn you said 4 years and someone said that was foolish (not me ) and that you amended it

if not my apologies

if you pick a guy # 2 overall in the draft and he isnt an elite guy then he is a bust . how can that be disputed ?

and if you go with that then mike vick lite sounds awfully close to being called a bust if you are the number 2 overall

Because thats not how I understand what he was saying. If the #2 isn't elite, he is a bust. But that doesn't mean that RG3 can't be elite. He's not this year. He was close last year.

I've always seen him reference mike vick lite as that his where he is concerned he is headed. Again, doesn't mean he is there yet and that is not cast in stone.

You can't take statements like this out of context without reading them with the other sentences that he wrote with these statements. Its the entire post that expresses his opinion, but you honed in on isolated phrases.

 

[j_y19]

BTW, i do agree that the #2 pick in any draft should be an elite player. But if he turns out to be just very good, that doesn't make him a bust, but it does make the pick a bust. There is a difference.

 

[skinsdad62]

Have you not read anything I wrote Dad? Show me where I stated he can't be great.


I have already stated I wouldn't give up on him yet.

you didnt

you did question whether he studied enough in the off season and felt he shouldnt have made commercials or that the wedding was a distraction and that rehabbing didnt take that long (paraphrasing )

you did say he was in the owners office sucking his privates in another thread didnt you ? if you didnt then i apologize

so your part in my thinking is i have a kid here who doesnt study and constantly undermines his coach by talking to the owner and my question is how can he get better and who will coach him ?

my answer is he cant , hence he will be a bust

that is your part in convincing me we must get rid of him not the whole entire thing as you may have thought but that was part of it

hope that clears it up for you

 

[PDay8810]

Hang in there Dad....you're right here

Bob was the clear cut #2 player and remains the absolute right pick.
as the wind blows has always been an opinion based on opinions on the current situation at hand.

You don't sit your #1 QB in this league when he's healthy enough to play.

 

[gkekoa]

you didnt

you did question whether he studied enough in the off season and felt he shouldnt have made commercials or that the wedding was a distraction and that rehabbing didnt take that long (paraphrasing )

Of course I did. The offseason is about 7 to 8 months long. The wedding and festivities could last a good month. The first two to three months after surgery he was not rehabbing. When you rehab, you don't spend 8 hours a day working out the injury because if you do...you reinjure yourself. Rehabbing itself takes quite a while in terms of months.

you did say he was in the owners office sucking his privates in another thread didnt you ? if you didnt then i apologize

Yes I did. I do believe he undermined the authority of the coaching staff by going to Dan Snyder.

so your part in my thinking is i have a kid here who doesnt study and constantly undermines his coach by talking to the owner and my question is how can he get better and who will coach him ?

He gets better by learning how to workout. He is a natural athlete, he doesn't have to work as hard at that. He needs to spend more time on the boring stuff. Do you believe he knows the playbook well enough? Do you believe he has spent enough time on film? There are a number of coaches that will coach him because of his talent but he doesn't need a friend that's his coach.

my answer is he cant , hence he will be a bust

that is your part in convincing me we must get rid of him not the whole entire thing as you may have thought but that was part of it

You are being overly dramatic now...just thought you should know because I do respect you.

 

[Sharkinva]

Hang in there Dad....you're right here

Bob was the clear cut #2 player and remains the absolute right pick.
as the wind blows has always been an opinion based on opinions on the current situation at hand.

You don't sit your #1 QB in this league when he's healthy enough to play.

Clear #2 yes... worth the #2, #43, #22 and the #4.... debatable at this point. And he hasnt been healthy enough to play in the style of offense that fits his skills all year. If he starts and gets injured now, it will have been a complete waste and we both know it. He is developing bad habits and those are bad reps.

 

[skinsdad62]

Clear #2 yes... worth the #2, #43, #22 and the #4.... debatable at this point. And he hasnt been healthy enough to play in the style of offense that fits his skills all year. If he starts and gets injured now, it will have been a complete waste and we both know it. He is developing bad habits and those are bad reps.

well if we trade him now we could get maybe a #3 overall # 35 overall and perhaps more maybe we get the 2nd 1st rounder ( dont know the number) and another pick thus softening that tremendous price

yeah and why develop bad habits ? Rg3 is too entitled to apply what he learned already. how many defenses does he really need to read or see? he is an option qb who will rely on his athletic gifts nothing to be gained by 120-170 game reps

only bad habits will be taken from this . dont be fooled by the 1st half of the giants game he cant be a pocket passer

 

[PDay8810]

Clear #2 yes... worth the #2, #43, #22 and the #4.... debatable at this point. And he hasnt been healthy enough to play in the style of offense that fits his skills all year. If he starts and gets injured now, it will have been a complete waste and we both know it. He is developing bad habits and those are bad reps.

that may fly with your buddy here but I've been reading your posts lately from July and August. Bob was so much more than Romo then and it wasn't just age.

no other redskin fan was more on board with all that was Bob this summer....possible exception being bovey. Now? lol....whatever man, just know, no Bob and it woulda been 6 straight years of last place in the NFC east.

 

[Sharkinva]

well if we trade him now we could get maybe a #3 overall # 35 overall and perhaps more maybe we get the 2nd 1st rounder ( dont know the number) and another pick thus softening that tremendous price

yeah and why develop bad habits ? Rg3 is too entitled to apply what he learned already. how many defenses does he really need to read or see? he is an option qb who will rely on his athletic gifts nothing to be gained by 120-170 game reps

only bad habits will be taken from this . dont be fooled by the 1st half of the giants game he cant be a pocket passer

Forget the trade idea, as i said it would be just compounding mistakes at this point.

as for ingraining bad habits. He hasnt learned yet after 14 games not to throw off his front foot or do the jump throws. He is developing bad habits.

And if one good half make a franchise QB... I give you a whole list of guys.. He needs to sit for his good as well as that of the team. But you know Im starting to agree with you. He should take every snap. Lets see if he survives the last three games behind that line.

 

[skinsdad62]

Forget the trade idea, as i said it would be just compounding mistakes at this point.

as for ingraining bad habits. He hasnt learned yet after 14 games not to throw off his front foot or do the jump throws. He is developing bad habits.

And if one good half make a franchise QB... I give you a whole list of guys.. He needs to sit for his good as well as that of the team. But you know Im starting to agree with you. He should take every snap. Lets see if he survives the last three games behind that line.

yeah let KC be the sacrificial lamb and save RG3's trade value

and tell me how is trading RG3 compounding our problems for a new HC ? getting picks for a rebuild is a good thing

imagine what we could have had if we didnt make the trade and how better off we would be with 2 good o/lineman and another 1st rounder to use on yet another starter

now apply that now