Vikings just fired Defilippo

[Stymietee]

KC is in his 1st year in thier offense , here he would be in year 5

the vikings , as a team , arent what they were last season

but lets not state the obvious here , his team has the final WC , we might win another game and his replacement wasnt up to the task without the defense and run game and since both arent doing the job no way CDC carries this team

hell he couldnt even get a lead change , all damn year . if the other team scored first he couldnt even make that shit up

Let's be honest, Kirk here and this team is exactly where it is now. The franchised is jinxed, and it really doesn't matter who is employed here. Maybe a call to the now departed Miss Cleo would be beneficial, but something has to be done to get this franchise into the good graces of your NFL referenced "football Gods." Perhaps a na.., nope I'm not going there.

 

[skinsdad62]

Let's be honest, Kirk here and this team is exactly where it is now. The franchised is jinxed, and it really doesn't matter who is employed here. Maybe a call to the now departed Miss Cleo would be beneficial, but something has to be done to get this franchise into the good graces of your NFL referenced "football Gods." Perhaps a na.., nope I'm not going there.

I don’t believe in jinx’s and no we beat the colts , giants , and Texans and eagles And are most likely a 4 loss team . He would. Hit throws. CDC. Simply can’t or won’t try . He can get into a shoot out and compete , CDC couldn’t

In fact anytime the other team took the lead , CDC. Lost

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Let's be honest, Kirk here and this team is exactly where it is now. The franchised is jinxed, and it really doesn't matter who is employed here. Maybe a call to the now departed Miss Cleo would be beneficial, but something has to be done to get this franchise into the good graces of your NFL referenced "football Gods." Perhaps a na.., nope I'm not going there.

Sure bad luck has a little to do w/ their problems, but that is not the main issue. IMO their biggest issue is that they always try to do things differently than everyone else & in a way that generally comes back to bite them.

Look how they have handled their GM & coaching positions. Going back to 2000-2001 they could kept Marty & John Schneider (one of the best FO people in the NFL). They moved on to Vinny & Spurrier - a disaster. Years later they are about to bring in Zorn as OC when they decide "heck - let's make him the coach". Who does that? Fast forward & they finally get a traditional GM setup w/ SM but kick him to the curb since Bruce Allen basically is jealous of him & doesn't like him. That in itself would not be an issue if they immediately hired a similar GM, but they went years after that w/ a skewed setup.

On top of all of this they do other weird things like tag Cousins twice only to get rid of him. If they didn't want him they should have never have tagged him at least the second time. They made a bad decision w/ Fat Al & then in attempt to escalate his payment were penalized by the NFL (granted a lot of this is on Giants, but Snyder should know better). There are other similar bizarre decisions they have made over time that ultimately have handcuffed this team.

Moving forward they can start to undo some of this by basically starting over. Dump Allen ASAP, either name Williams as top FO guy or hire a proven guy from the outside & let one of them hire a brand new head coach. They can then start to do things in the traditional NFL manner. However I get a feeling that they are going to continue to do things in their own way with limited success & watch home games with more and more empty seats. Sigh....

 

[skinsdad62]

Sure bad luck has a little to do w/ their problems, but that is not the main issue. IMO their biggest issue is that they always try to do things differently than everyone else & in a way that generally comes back to bite them.

Look how they have handled their GM & coaching positions. Going back to 2000-2001 they could kept Marty & John Schneider (one of the best FO people in the NFL). They moved on to Vinny & Spurrier - a disaster. Years later they are about to bring in Zorn as OC when they decide "heck - let's make him the coach". Who does that? Fast forward & they finally get a traditional GM setup w/ SM but kick him to the curb since Bruce Allen basically is jealous of him & doesn't like him. That in itself would not be an issue if they immediately hired a similar GM, but they went years after that w/ a skewed setup.

On top of all of this they do other weird things like tag Cousins twice only to get rid of him. If they didn't want him they should have never have tagged him at least the second time. They made a bad decision w/ Fat Al & then in attempt to escalate his payment were penalized by the NFL (granted a lot of this is on Giants, but Snyder should know better). There are other similar bizarre decisions they have made over time that ultimately have handcuffed this team.

Moving forward they can start to undo some of this by basically starting over. Dump Allen ASAP, either name Williams as top FO guy or hire a proven guy from the outside & let one of them hire a brand new head coach. They can then start to do things in the traditional NFL manner. However I get a feeling that they are going to continue to do things in their own way with limited success & watch home games with more and more empty seats. Sigh....

I wonder if Dan will cut Allen loose ?

If he did would he give DW the shot to make some FO choices ?

 

[skinz2winz]

I wonder if Dan will cut Allen loose ?

If he did would he give DW the shot to make some FO choices ?

Here is the deal with Dan and where this organization is today:
If you don't dump Allen at years end, no one will show up to watch games next year
If Snyder doesn't start to clean house soon, some of his "supporters" "investors" will start getting itchy finger
Snyder is about to lose a complete fan base if he doesn't fix the FO issues, alignment & personnel soon

 

[deanpet21]

KC , on this team wins 10 games

we don't have anything close to Diggs and Thielan. Actually the Vikgs offense is better with a healthy Cook. Its a total choke job if the Viks miss the playoffs.

 

[Stymietee]

I don’t believe in jinx’s and no we beat the colts , giants , and Texans and eagles And are most likely a 4 loss team . He would. Hit throws. CDC. Simply can’t or won’t try . He can get into a shoot out and compete , CDC couldn’t

In fact anytime the other team took the lead , CDC. Lost

There's just no other way to explain the historical failures of this organization. Even when things appear to be on the right track, something goes wrong and another season is kaput. BTW; it's been going on for much longer than the Snyder era, outside of their first two years (leftovers from the Boston team) here, a brief foray into a single championship game under George Allen and the Gibbs year or three, during his first stint, what exactly has this organization done to earn it's "storied" reputation, survive? Wonderful!

This organization since moving to D.C., are by record, the very definition of mediocrity. Don't believe me, here's the record. (...and I'm being generous)

593 - 581- 28 Regular season (since 1937 thru 2017)

23 -19 Postseason (24 of these games were in the Gibbs era where he was 17-7)

620 - 602 - 28 Total (1937 thru 2017)

 

[Stymietee]

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Sure bad luck has a little to do w/ their problems, but that is not the main issue. IMO their biggest issue is that they always try to do things differently than everyone else & in a way that generally comes back to bite them.

Look how they have handled their GM & coaching positions. Going back to 2000-2001 they could kept Marty & John Schneider (one of the best FO people in the NFL). They moved on to Vinny & Spurrier - a disaster. Years later they are about to bring in Zorn as OC when they decide "heck - let's make him the coach". Who does that? Fast forward & they finally get a traditional GM setup w/ SM but kick him to the curb since Bruce Allen basically is jealous of him & doesn't like him. That in itself would not be an issue if they immediately hired a similar GM, but they went years after that w/ a skewed setup.

On top of all of this they do other weird things like tag Cousins twice only to get rid of him. If they didn't want him they should have never have tagged him at least the second time. They made a bad decision w/ Fat Al & then in attempt to escalate his payment were penalized by the NFL (granted a lot of this is on Giants, but Snyder should know better). There are other similar bizarre decisions they have made over time that ultimately have handcuffed this team.

Moving forward they can start to undo some of this by basically starting over. Dump Allen ASAP, either name Williams as top FO guy or hire a proven guy from the outside & let one of them hire a brand new head coach. They can then start to do things in the traditional NFL manner. However I get a feeling that they are going to continue to do things in their own way with limited success & watch home games with more and more empty seats. Sigh....

Please read my post (#27) and I would appreciate your thoughts on that. Thanks! In the meantime I'm working on a response to this, You've written a lot and made some great contemporary points.

 

[Stymietee]

Sure bad luck has a little to do w/ their problems, but that is not the main issue. IMO their biggest issue is that they always try to do things differently than everyone else & in a way that generally comes back to bite them.

Look how they have handled their GM & coaching positions. Going back to 2000-2001 they could kept Marty & John Schneider (one of the best FO people in the NFL). They moved on to Vinny & Spurrier - a disaster. Years later they are about to bring in Zorn as OC when they decide "heck - let's make him the coach". Who does that? Fast forward & they finally get a traditional GM setup w/ SM but kick him to the curb since Bruce Allen basically is jealous of him & doesn't like him. That in itself would not be an issue if they immediately hired a similar GM, but they went years after that w/ a skewed setup.

On top of all of this they do other weird things like tag Cousins twice only to get rid of him. If they didn't want him they should have never have tagged him at least the second time. They made a bad decision w/ Fat Al & then in attempt to escalate his payment were penalized by the NFL (granted a lot of this is on Giants, but Snyder should know better). There are other similar bizarre decisions they have made over time that ultimately have handcuffed this team.

Moving forward they can start to undo some of this by basically starting over. Dump Allen ASAP, either name Williams as top FO guy or hire a proven guy from the outside & let one of them hire a brand new head coach. They can then start to do things in the traditional NFL manner. However I get a feeling that they are going to continue to do things in their own way with limited success & watch home games with more and more empty seats. Sigh....

Sure bad luck has a little to do w/ their problems, but that is not the main issue. IMO their biggest issue is that they always try to do things differently than everyone else & in a way that generally comes back to bite them.

There's something more than bad luck going on with this team, it's historical and apparently a permanent part of the aura/ makeup of the franchise. You have to ask, the why question when it comes to these attempts to do things "differently." right? Why, for example, is it that seemingly good players and coaches who are doing well in other places, come here and all we get is mediocre? It is interesting that on the other end, players that come here initially, leave and contribute in a way that they didn't when they were here also happens.

Look how they have handled their GM & coaching positions. Going back to 2000-2001 they could kept Marty & John Schneider (one of the best FO people in the NFL). They moved on to Vinny & Spurrier - a disaster. Years later they are about to bring in Zorn as OC when they decide "heck - let's make him the coach". Who does that? Fast forward & they finally get a traditional GM setup w/ SM but kick him to the curb since Bruce Allen basically is jealous of him & doesn't like him. That in itself would not be an issue if they immediately hired a similar GM, but they went years after that w/ a skewed setup.

I truly have no retort to what you've written here but I'll merely add this. Mike Nixon (1959-1960 the worse HC in my lifetime went 4-18-2, He was followed by, Bill McPeake (1961-1965) who posted a record of 21-46-3. There were near ticker tape parades in this town when the NFL great Otto Graham posted records of 7-7 (1966), 5-6-3 in 1967. If you had been there you would have been able to feel the excitement surrounding this mediocre team.

On top of all of this they do other weird things like tag Cousins twice only to get rid of him. If they didn't want him they should have never have tagged him at least the second time. They made a bad decision w/ Fat Al & then in attempt to escalate his payment were penalized by the NFL (granted a lot of this is on Giants, but Snyder should know better). There are other similar bizarre decisions they have made over time that ultimately have handcuffed this team.

Yep, bizarre pretty much sums it up. For the record I was for trading Kirk b ack then because I knew that to tag him was to lose him. We got nothing for a guy that at least on team was willing to pay 84 million dollars guaranteed to get, how does that make sense.? As for the NFL fine, call it stupid, call it anything that you please, but, there's certainly something that is affecting this team and it's inability to shake the bad Mojo that hangs over it.

Look how they have handled their GM & coaching positions. Going back to 2000-2001 they could kept Marty & John Schneider (one of the best FO people in the NFL). They moved on to Vinny & Spurrier - a disaster. Years later they are about to bring in Zorn as OC when they decide "heck - let's make him the coach". Who does that? Fast forward & they finally get a traditional GM setup w/ SM but kick him to the curb since Bruce Allen basically is jealous of him & doesn't like him. That in itself would not be an issue if they immediately hired a similar GM, but they went years after that w/ a skewed setup.

Many year ago, I created a thread that insisted on the removal of Bruce Allen, the responses that I got ranged from hints at some sort of personal vendetta that I had against him to his stance on the name change. Today, I can't find one poster beyond @Dean who doesn't agree with my initial stance. Go figure!

 

[Stymietee]

I wonder if Dan will cut Allen loose ?

If he did would he give DW the shot to make some FO choices ?

Odds are the answer to both is NO!

 

[Stymietee]

Here is the deal with Dan and where this organization is today:
If you don't dump Allen at years end, no one will show up to watch games next year
If Snyder doesn't start to clean house soon, some of his "supporters" "investors" will start getting itchy finger
Snyder is about to lose a complete fan base if he doesn't fix the FO issues, alignment & personnel soon

Moving on to baseball, do we have anyone here who remembers Bob Short?
Well, he was the owner of the Washington Senators. During his tenure here his teams were so awful that attendance suffered in massive chunks, so what did he do? He blamed the fan base for non support then moved the team to Arlington Texas becoming the Rangers. Don't put it past Snyder to do the same thing! After all, there's at least one player who believes that the fans here don't support them.