UC and the playoffs

[michaeljordan_fan]

Call it whatever you wanna call it. I think it’s a condescending way of saying “we’re too big or too good to play you home and home”. That didn’t stop UCLA, VT, or Miami FL from being nice to Cincy.

Those are not big-time programs. If you want to play tier 2 schools, those are the offers you will get. Better bet for them is to try for a neutral site game vs. a big school.

 

[Ron G]

When people do SoS stuff they need to take out the games teams lost

Losing a game shouldnt benefit your SoS

When you do that teams resumes and SoS become much more similar

Cincy ( and teams like them ) will always have worse resumes though. Its the nature of the sport

But Cincy tried to schedule good OOC, they couldnt predict preseason top 20 Indiana would fall apart

Imo resume is most important for P5 teams to separate them from each other. You need to use eye test more with G5s which honestly is where i lose faith in Cincy. Just too many close games vs other G5s.

But if we are being frank no one really has an impressive resume this year

UGAs wins arent over really any top tier competition . Bama has 1 truly good win, a good loss and has looked luje shit multiple other times, Oregon has a really good win, an awful loss and nada after. OSU has a good loss but hasnt beaten anyone of note

So while Cincy may not have a great resume they do have a better win than 3 of the 4 teams ranked ahead of them and dont have the awful loss like Oregon

By the way, Alabama's "good loss" is to a 3 loss team.

 

[Ron G]

The FBS isn’t saying to any team they can’t be in the playoffs. But the truth is as a member of conf USA, the Mac, AAC, etc, do you really think playing everyone in one of those conferences and going undefeated constitutes a schedule that represents the best in college football?? It doesn’t. Sorry. It’s the truth. It may hurt some feelings. Get over it. Or try to join a better more respectable conference.

The FBS should then only include the P 5 leagues. And G 5 teams should not even be eligible for New Year's 6 bowls. But the ticket prices when a Power 5 plays a G 5 or even worse an FBS are not lowered.

 

[PIBuckeye]

By the way, Alabama's "good loss" is to a 3 loss team.

They shouldn’t be 2…….

 

[michaeljordan_fan]

The FBS should then only include the P 5 leagues. And G 5 teams should not even be eligible for New Year's 6 bowls. But the ticket prices when a Power 5 plays a G 5 or even worse an FBS are not lowered.

If you don't think the G5 schools should be allowed to be in NY6 games, you are welcome to convince the G5 schools of that.

 

[Gator]

They shouldn’t be 2…….

Bama would be ok with OSU at #2 IF Bama gets to be #4!!!

 

[Gator]

Cincinnati has earned the benefit of doubt.

Say what? How has Cincy "earned the benefit of the doubt"?? I posted this earlier: In the past 8 seasons that UC has been in the AAC they have played a grand total of 12 ranked teams (that includes IN conference , OUT of conference and Bowls) and are 0-12. HOW exactly has Cincy "earned" the right to demand HOME and HOME vs P5 teams. Furthermore, over that span they have played 15 P5 teams and are 7-8. Those 7 wins are over:
Purdue (1-11), Purdue (3-9), UCLA (3-9), UCLA (4-8), Virginia Tech (6-7), Boston College (6-7), and Miami (Florida) (8-5). That's ONE win over a P5 team with a winning record in EIGHT seasons! How is that earning anything????

 

[Ron G]

If you don't think the G5 schools should be allowed to be in NY6 games, you are welcome to convince the G5 schools of that.

I am not saying that as what I believe. But if they are not allowed into the playoff then the playoff should, by stated policy, be only for P5 members.
Money of course is the reason the G5 wants to be in NY6 games and they would never go against that. Since 2 of the NY6 are designated as playoff games, then it would be possible for 2 to be designated as playoff games for a G5 championship.

 

[michaeljordan_fan]

I am not saying that as what I believe. But if they are not allowed into the playoff then the playoff should, by stated policy, be only for P5 members.
Money of course is the reason the G5 wants to be in NY6 games and they would never go against that. Since 2 of the NY6 are designated as playoff games, then it would be possible for 2 to be designated as playoff games for a G5 championship.

It's not impossible for a G5 to be in the playoff. They just have to earn it, it's not going to be handed to them.

 

[Ron G]

It's not impossible for a G5 to be in the playoff. They just have to earn it, it's not going to be handed to them.

If undefeated doesn't earn it nothing will. If playing a G5 schedule is held against the team, then only joining a P5 conference will work. And then the rest of G5 will still be held out.
But if Cincinnati were to lose, and Alabama were to lose to Georgia then ND is probably in. ND is in if Ohio State loses any game, and Alabama loses to Georgia. The Big Ten East has to be terrified of Wisconsin. While the ND game was closer than the score, the score was definitive.
Right now only Ohio State has a "good loss" that is better than NDs.
It is the Alabama / Georgia game that is the monkey in the wood pile. Hard to see Alabama with a loss to Georgia and to 3 loss A & M getting in over any undefeated or top 1 loss team.
At some level losses have to count even if the "best team" is left out. Alabama with a loss to Georgia would probably still considered better than Cincy, ND, Oregon, Michigan, Michigan State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State maybe Ohio State. But that were to happen they should not be in the playoff. We do know for sure that they are better than Mercer and New Mexico State.
Ok State is the sleeper. Right now only Georgia is a "for sure" even if they don't win the SEC.

 

[michaeljordan_fan]

If undefeated doesn't earn it nothing will. If playing a G5 schedule is held against the team, then only joining a P5 conference will work. And then the rest of G5 will still be held out.
But if Cincinnati were to lose, and Alabama were to lose to Georgia then ND is probably in. ND is in if Ohio State loses any game, and Alabama loses to Georgia. The Big Ten East has to be terrified of Wisconsin. While the ND game was closer than the score, the score was definitive.
Right now only Ohio State has a "good loss" that is better than NDs.
It is the Alabama / Georgia game that is the monkey in the wood pile. Hard to see Alabama with a loss to Georgia and to 3 loss A & M getting in over any undefeated or top 1 loss team.
At some level losses have to count even if the "best team" is left out. Alabama with a loss to Georgia would probably still considered better than Cincy, ND, Oregon, Michigan, Michigan State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State maybe Ohio State. But that were to happen they should not be in the playoff. We do know for sure that they are better than Mercer and New Mexico State.
Ok State is the sleeper. Right now only Georgia is a "for sure" even if they don't win the SEC.

The conference schedule certainly hurts Cincy's case, but if they had looked impressive in it we wouldn't be having this conversation.

 

[trojanfight]

ive heard it mentioned before that cincy needs to win with style points however the same P5 teams arent held to the same standard. Im curious of opinions on why alabama’s 6 point win vs a LSU team with 5 losses has zero impact on polls at all.

 

[Ron G]

ive heard it mentioned before that cincy needs to win with style points however the same P5 teams arent held to the same standard. Im curious of opinions on why alabama’s 6 point win vs a LSU team with 5 losses has zero impact on polls at all.

How about Florida's record?

 

[michaeljordan_fan]

ive heard it mentioned before that cincy needs to win with style points however the same P5 teams arent held to the same standard. Im curious of opinions on why alabama’s 6 point win vs a LSU team with 5 losses has zero impact on polls at all.

Alabama beating LSU by 6 > > > > sneaking by Tulsa.

 

[foster4prez]

Seems like this should apply here....

 

[Gator]

Alabama beating LSU by 6 > > > > sneaking by Tulsa.

On a personal note, I remember hearing these comments in 2006 when
Florida beat Alabama (6-7) 28 13
Florida beat Vanderbilt (4-8) 25 19
Florida beat South Car (8-5) 17 16
Florida beat FSU (7-6) 21 14

UF had scored 375 point and given up 175 in 13 games including beating UCF 42-0 and FCS Western Carolina 62-0
Without those UF scored 271 and gave up 175 in 11 games (24.6-15.9)

Then had to play #1 OSU in the Fiesta Bowl
OSU had scored 436 point and given up 125 in 12 games (36.3-10.4)

Final Score Florida 41 OSU 14

 

[TheLonestarDUCK]

Seems like this should apply here....

Now do Top 5 wins

 

[foster4prez]

Now do Top 5 wins

Splitting hairs a bit don't you think?

 

[PIBuckeye]

On a personal note, I remember hearing these comments in 2006 when
Florida beat Alabama (6-7) 28 13
Florida beat Vanderbilt (4-8) 25 19
Florida beat South Car (8-5) 17 16
Florida beat FSU (7-6) 21 14

UF had scored 375 point and given up 175 in 13 games including beating UCF 42-0 and FCS Western Carolina 62-0
Without those UF scored 271 and gave up 175 in 11 games (24.6-15.9)

Then had to play #1 OSU in the Fiesta Bowl
OSU had scored 436 point and given up 125 in 12 games (36.3-10.4)

Final Score Florida 41 OSU 14

yea. upsets happen when your best player/scorer on the team goes out on the first play of the game......... it matters.

 

[TheLonestarDUCK]

Splitting hairs a bit don't you think?

That’s what I was going to say to you