Ty Sambraillo traded

[Mingo]

To the Falcons - for a 5th rounder. I'll take - I guess Schofield makes the team.

 

[CEH]

Nice

 

[Draft Crazy]

My eyes lit up like the 4th of july when I saw this scroll across my phone.

A 5th round pick... Like Mingo said.

We will take it.

It's sorta sad when you get excited about getting a 5th rd pick for a guy you took in round 3, but I am.

 

[CEH]

My eyes lit up like the 4th of july when I saw this scroll across my phone.

A 5th round pick... Like Mingo said.

We will take it.

It's sorta sad when you get excited about getting a 5th rd pick for a guy you took in round 3, but I am.

Try high 2nd round and another busted high round pick. Cody Latimer is about to be cut as well.

 

[Draft Crazy]

Yeah, sorry 2nd round. (I was listing the round his draft value was in) Heuerman was 3rd. Both reaches.

Either way.

With the way things are in Denver country people will probably call for Elway's head for trading him since he went to Colorado State and all.

Latimer is being shopped for a late round pick, if not then he will be released it sounds like.

At least Latimer was second round value when we drafted him. Just hasn't turned out. I can live with that..

It's hard to live with the picks we reach on that don't turn out early in the draft.

 

[cdumler7]

Try high 2nd round and another busted high round pick. Cody Latimer is about to be cut as well.

Wouldn't that be a "low" 2nd round pick? He was picked 27th in the round

 

[Duffman]

It's hard to live with the picks we reach on that don't turn out early in the draft.

But it's easy to live with picks that we take in mid-late-undrafted rounds that turn out really good, And I think we have more of those than early round busts so it's all good.

 

[LGM]

But it's easy to live with picks that we take in mid-late-undrafted rounds that turn out really good, And I think we have more of those than early round busts so it's all good.

I don't agree. Film, footage, combine workouts, meetings... The ability to be informed and make good decisions at the top is so much greater than it is when you pick someone like a Henderson.

First through 3rd rounders should be vetted much better than those kids you take a chance with in the later rounds. Small school kids, injured kids, kids who have issues all fall and when they pan out in the later rounds, that's great.

But when you invest the time, contract, roster spot over the term of their rookie contract for a player that was picked early and it doesn't pan out? That hurts you a lot more than a lower round pick would.

 

[Draft Crazy]

I see what Duffman is saying though. It often can cancel each other out. But yes, it sucks missing in the first 3 rounds. You invest more. Although long term after your rookie deal where the real investment comes gets sorted out I suppose..

Terrell Davis gets a long term deal as a 6th rounder, Ty Sambrailo does not as a 2nd rounder.. So in the end you end up investing more in the player who turns out then the one who doesn't but I get the point both of you're making here.

 

[cdumler7]

It's a tough business to get right consistently. those who can do it just a little more than the others are considered geniuses at the draft. With a player like Sambrailo there are 2 things that play into it a bit. 1) He no longer was a very good system fit. I think if Kubiak was still here he would have more value. 2) No team can account for injuries. What would Sambrailo be say he didn't get hurt the first 2 years? Would he be the starting LT for the Broncos negating the need to draft Bolles? We obviously will never know. Ball is another that he showed promise his first year but then got hurt and then developed a drinking problem? Was the drinking problem present before we drafted him or was that something that showed up later? Teams can't really account for the 2nd part of that happening.

Now Latimer was just a swing and a miss. The Broncos though were not the only team that had him that highly valued. He was liked by a lot of people. Physically he is about as gifted as some of the top WR's out there. Good speed, great hands, power to jump up for the tough catches. Mentally though is the tough part to gauge with players coming out of the draft. That is the part you are trying to project. Everybody has the same info when it comes to physical ability.

 

[Draft Crazy]

Latimer also had one heck of a JR year at Indiana..

He and AJ Jenkins both declared under great JR years after coming out of nowhere really. You often wonder what one more year may have meant for them in college. Both made smart choices going rd 1 and early rd 2, buuuuut. You just wonder.

 

[LGM]

I see what Duffman is saying though. It often can cancel each other out. But yes, it sucks missing in the first 3 rounds. You invest more. Although long term after your rookie deal where the real investment comes gets sorted out I suppose..

Terrell Davis gets a long term deal as a 6th rounder, Ty Sambrailo does not as a 2nd rounder.. So in the end you end up investing more in the player who turns out then the one who doesn't but I get the point both of you're making here.

I get what he's saying too. For me mostly, it's the contract.

Pax may be a bust. But since we picked him in rd 1, we're going to wait at least 2-3 years before we move him, unless he REALLY sucks. That means one less roster spot for someone else who might be more deserving at another spot.

I think teams (and rightfully so) are a lot more hesitant to admit failure in the early rounds, and keep them for depth or even starting way too long.

If Pax shows little to no growth next year, I hope we cut him.

 

[Draft Crazy]

I get what he's saying too. For me mostly, it's the contract.

Pax may be a bust. But since we picked him in rd 1, we're going to wait at least 2-3 years before we move him, unless he REALLY sucks. That means one less roster spot for someone else who might be more deserving at another spot.

I think teams (and rightfully so) are a lot more hesitant to admit failure in the early rounds, and keep them for depth or even starting way too long.

If Pax shows little to no growth next year, I hope we cut him.

Right.

 

[iknowftbll]

I'm with Duffman on the picks. I know we'd prefer the team hit the nail on the head with some of the early picks. I know much has been made of Elway's talent evaluation and a failure to draft lasting impact players on offense in the early rounds. I know many are ready to write Lynch off as the latest and possibly most egregious example of this.

At the same time I can't help but think if there are late round picks and UDFAs that are contributing it's just as good. If Trevor Siemian plays himself into the role of long term starter, will it matter that he was a 7th rounder? If the Broncos move on from Lynch is it fair to criticize Elway's draft evaluations if he found his QB in the 7th round? And let's not forget the NFL's footnotes page has dozens of first and second round QBs who were highly touted but amounted to nothing. Even guys like Andrew Luck appear to have uncertain futures from where we sit now. Aside from his injuries, he's on a team that doesn't seem to understand how to build around a guy, a flaw they exhibited in Manning's time there as well.

This league is a hard business and it chews up players and spits them out. It seems more noticeable when they're early round picks or QBs. I'm not worried about what rounds our players are taken in, just that we find guys in the draft that grow into contributing members of this team.

I wish Sambraillo well and am glad we got something for him.

 

[Draft Crazy]

I'm with Duff and LGM. I see what both are saying and both are right, IMO.

I also like the above post by Football.

I especially like and agree with this quote.

This league is a hard business and it chews up players and spits them out.

 

[58crash]

DC that is why I have a problem with players that are kicking butt with the team they are with leaving for more money that is usually a bad long term plan .

 

[Draft Crazy]

Money talks.

 

[58crash]

Wolf was right some times you think long term

 

[Draft Crazy]

Chris Harris is a good example of this.

Signed before hitting the market where he perhaps could have made much more.

 

[Orange Crush77]

Malik would be the other side. He was worthy of an extension, but not what he ultimately signed for. Hopefully we don't make the same mistake with Roby