Twitter reporters saying Montgomery hurt/possibly out for season

[BsGenius]

lol

The ultimate check mate.

 

[richig07]

Sure they do. All football players matter.

I mean, technically long snappers "matter". So, sure, if you want to make it a semantics battle. You would win.

But... on a scale from "starting QB" to "long snapper". They're pretty close to long snapper.

 

[Beengay fudgepackers]

I mean, technically long snappers "matter". So, sure, if you want to make it a semantics battle. You would win.

But... on a scale from starting QB to long snapper. They're pretty close to long snapper.

I think you are slightly undervaluing them. Yeah, you don’t need Christian McCaffrey to win a title, but he would help a contender immensely over your average starter.

 

[richig07]

I think you are slightly undervaluing them. Yeah, you don’t need Christian McCaffrey to win a title, but he would help a contender immensely over your average starter.

I don't know. I think an undrafted free agent has started in every SB besides one going back to like DEN vs SEA in 2013. Some have featured two - like Mostert vs Damien Williams last year. SF's backfield was just 4 bodies rotating. There was also a graphic not too long ago I saw where teams 2nd string RB's have identical YPC to their 1st string RB's over the past 3-4 years. That's even when adjusted to control game script (so it doesn't include blowouts or garbage time). The study used competitive game situations only (regarded as one team not having more than an 80% chance at winning).

I think my standpoint is more that... "Sure, a CMC helps. However, not enough to pay him a big contract. You get a guy like that on his rookie deal and then show him the door when it is up." Not just because of the position's importance either. RB's just tend to burn out quickly once they hit the back half of their 20's.

 

[Jiddy]

So with a great defense, QB doesn't matter that much...

And RB's don't matter that much...

If I get WR's out of richi, can we send this thread on to Goodell and just have him assign us the Lombardi this year and forget about the whole play it out thing?

 

[BearsWillWin]

I mean, technically long snappers "matter". So, sure, if you want to make it a semantics battle. You would win.

But... on a scale from "starting QB" to "long snapper". They're pretty close to long snapper.

I want to challenge this but I don't want to read the 75 paragraphs that will be the rebuttal.

 

[richig07]

I want to challenge this but I don't want to read the 75 paragraphs that will be the rebuttal.

At this point, I don't even see a competitive argument to make in favor of RB's being pivotal to a team's success. There's really nothing that points towards it. Not only has the running game been reduced in importance. But the best running games in the NFL revolve around a great system and offensive line. Teams use committees now. 2nd string RB's now average the same amount of yards per carry as 1st string (even when adjusted to remove non-competitive game situations). Most SB's this decade featured at least one undrafted RB starting. Many featured two. SF had the best run game in football last year (aside from Baltimore who just has a freak QB) and their RB's were 4 bodies you could cycle in and out without missing a beat.

See, only one paragraph. I'll keep it succinct. lol

 

[Hang_On_Sloopy08]

Welcome to Denver Leonard.

 

[BearsWillWin]

Nothing in what you say means RBs don’t matter.

They matter. How you use them matters...their ability matters. You just don’t need a stud.

The Patriots have been the best example of this for a long time. They won’t overpay a back and won’t use up a ton of cap space on their entire running back room but they usually have a very effective ground game.

Saying running backs don’t matter is something completely different.

 

[Jiddy]

Nothing in what you say means RBs don’t matter.

They matter. How you use them matters...their ability matters. You just don’t need a stud.

The Patriots have been the best example of this for a long time. They won’t overpay a back and won’t use up a ton of cap space on their entire running back room but they usually have a very effective ground game.

Saying running backs don’t matter is something completely different.

Obviously richi never saw Raymont "Ultra Back" Harris play.

 

[richig07]

Nothing in what you say means RBs don’t matter.

They matter. How you use them matters...their ability matters. You just don’t need a stud.

The Patriots have been the best example of this for a long time. They won’t overpay a back and won’t use up a ton of cap space on their entire running back room but they usually have a very effective ground game.

Saying running backs don’t matter is something completely different.

#RBSDon'tMatter has been a (somewhat tongue in cheek - but also serious) social media movement started by analytic experts and has been going on for a little while. It's intentionally vague, blunt, and attention grabbing. Of course, like I said, they "matter". Special teams players matter. All positions and roles matter on a scale. I do not mean that you can plug in BSGenius and it will have no impact on the run game. lol. It's not literal. I figured that was a given.

It's 11th out of 11 in terms of your main offensive positions. In fact, perhaps lower, as you could argue your 3rd WR or 2nd TE is more important.

Going with your NE example. If you can get a group of three guys who aren't even serviceable on their own. But rather serviceable in separate aspects of the position (one runner, one pass catcher, one blocker) and have success. Doing so with undrafted FA's and late round picks, etc. It ain't exactly a stretch to say that the position is damn close to being a "non issue" in the grand scheme of things.

 

[richig07]

Obviously richi never saw Raymont "Ultra Back" Harris play.

97 was the first season in my life that I have a vague memory of. Lol. I have very blurry recollections of him. We drafted Enis the first year I really started following the Bears, though. Well, I should say, the first year my brain had developed to the point where it could keep up. Some would argue my brain still ain't there, though.

 

[richig07]

Bears Rate Best Odds for Signing Leonard Fournette

Some reports saying we're leading contenders to sign Fournette. Could mean we don't expect Montgomery back for a while. He'll be cheap right now and is serviceable. He's not exactly "good". But... I've already dove into my feelings on RB's in this thread. lol

 

[Jiddy]

Bears Rate Best Odds for Signing Leonard Fournette

Some reports saying we're leading contenders to sign Fournette. Could mean we don't expect Montgomery back for a while. He'll be cheap right now and is serviceable. He's not exactly "good". But... I've already dove into my feelings on RB's in this thread. lol

Would be a bittersweet signing as it means Montgomery is in bad shape. I really like the kid and was excited for him this upcoming season.

 

[BearsWillWin]

It's 11th out of 11 in terms of your main offensive positions.

No, it’s not.

You’re confusing production and star power with the role they play in a modern offense.

 

[BearsWillWin]

Going with your NE example. If you can get a group of three guys who aren't even serviceable on their own. But rather serviceable in separate aspects of the position (one runner, one pass catcher, one blocker) and have success. Doing so with undrafted FA's and late round picks, etc. It ain't exactly a stretch to say that the position is damn close to being a "non issue" in the grand scheme of things.

That’s seriously undermining the coaching work that goes into the scheme and the skill set of the players.

NE typically has good backs. They fill very specific roles. Doesn’t make them unimportant, obsolete, or an afterthought.

 

[nebearsfan70]

Well this fucking sucks.

 

[NCChiFan]

Hey... AP was cut from Washington. He might be a two game stop gap.

 

[richig07]

No, it’s not.

You’re confusing production and star power with the role they play in a modern offense.

Yes, it is. What's even the argument?

You can swap in and out RB's. Teams running production doesn't change. Elite running teams still run well with any RB. Bad running teams still run poorly with any RB.

There is A MOUNTAIN... of data on this. A MOUNTAIN.

What could possibly be less important?

And star power? Who gives a shit? I am talking about importance and impact.

 

[richig07]

That’s seriously undermining the coaching work that goes into the scheme and the skill set of the players.

NE typically has good backs. They fill very specific roles. Doesn’t make them unimportant, obsolete, or an afterthought.

NE typically has good backs.

NE has backs who are very good in NE. Dion Lewis was the top graded RB in football in NE his last season. Then, he went to Tennessee and was suddenly a potato. Not a coincidence. Shane Vereen, Jonas Gray... Just a laundry list of nobodies. If it's THAT easy to find these guys... over... and OVER. How important are they, really?

Which is why NE never re-signs a RB who becomes expensive and just cycles in new bodies. Every time. Which is why San Fran made an undrafted, 7 times cut UDFA a record setting playoff RB last year. Cycling 4 nobody RB's and nothing was impacted. Wheels kept on churning.

Scheme/line > RB... by a country mile.

I mean, come on... This is silly. What position on the field could possibly be less important? A lineman position? Hell no. WR? Hell no. TE? Hell no. QB? Lol. After long snapper, punter, kicker, core SPT coverage guys, etc. You have your RB. Then, everything else above it.