Twins Off Season Commentary

[mr.hockey4242]

GO GET JOHNNY CUETO!


The Reds are looking to move him a couple good prospects could land him...

God now that would be a good move.

I would exercise caution on who the prospects are but that is one you have to look into. Without looking it up he's 1 that will be hitting FA after 2015 though correct?

 

[Nosferatu]

God now that would be a good move.

I would exercise caution on who the prospects are but that is one you have to look into. Without looking it up he's 1 that will be hitting FA after 2015 though correct?

Correct, I don't think it will take the best prospects we have, a couple B prospects could land him, the Reds are looking to shed $$$. It angers me beyond words that the Twins will not even make a call...

 

[powerchord86]

GO GET JOHNNY CUETO!


The Reds are looking to move him a couple good prospects could land him...

Cueto would be a great pickup. But unfortunately, I don't think the Twins will go for the price tag that comes with a pitcher like that. He's easily one of the best in the NL right now.

 

[Nosferatu]

Cueto would be a great pickup. But unfortunately, I don't think the Twins will go for the price tag that comes with a pitcher like that. He's easily one of the best in the NL right now.

Cueto is scheduled to make 10M in 2015, Nolasco is making 12M

 

[powerchord86]

Cueto is scheduled to make 10M in 2015, Nolasco is making 12M

Wow. Talk about →

 

[powerchord86]

Mets Confident They Will Trade Dillon Gee ? MLB Trade Rumors


Gee sounds like a more likely target for the Twins. I wouldn't mind seeing that one. But it doesn't sound good so far being that they weren't interested in the offer of Eduardo Escobar.

 

[mr.hockey4242]

Correct, I don't think it will take the best prospects we have, a couple B prospects could land him, the Reds are looking to shed $$$. It angers me beyond words that the Twins will not even make a call...

Yeah so frustrating. He's one of those pitchers that could actually make the NL to AL jump. Unlike giving 12 mil a year to mediocre NL Nolasco. And another pitcher I will refrain from naming again...

 

[powerchord86]

Twins are in on Ervin Santana | Twins Insider | StarTribune.com

I'd take Ervin Santana in the rotation. Make it happen!

 

[powerchord86]

Twins "Pushing" To Sign Ervin Santana

 

[ducky]

GO GET JOHNNY CUETO!

The Twins can't touch him.
1) It would take a good prospect to get him. We are talking about one of the most talented pitchers in the league. You aren't going to get him for anything less than at one of our top 5 prospects + 2 others guys.
2) We couldn't afford him after this year. He's going to get at least a 5 year deal worth at least $25 million per after this season.

....and let's assume we could get him and resign him. Cueto isn't the guy they should target. Dude is a midget that isn't going to age well in all likelihood.

 

[Nosferatu]

The Twins can't touch him.
1) It would take a good prospect to get him. We are talking about one of the most talented pitchers in the league. You aren't going to get him for anything less than at one of our top 5 prospects + 2 others guys.
2) We couldn't afford him after this year. He's going to get at least a 5 year deal worth at least $25 million per after this season.

....and let's assume we could get him and resign him. Cueto isn't the guy they should target. Dude is a midget that isn't going to age well in all likelihood.

I disagree with pretty much all of that.

Johan was a much better player and look what we got in return, we wouldn't have to give one of our top 5 guys. Two or three top 15 guys yes.

Who cares if we can afford him, if it makes us better this year some of the top FA's would listen if the Twins came calling as we would be viewed as a team on the rise with a great stadium and great young players ready to explode.

5'11 - 215 is a midget? Shit, i'm a midget!

 

[powerchord86]

Twins To Sign Ervin Santana ? MLB Trade Rumors

Woo hoo!

 

[ducky]

Johan was a much better player and look what we got in return, we wouldn't have to give one of our top 5 guys. Two or three top 15 guys yes.

At the time of that trade Gomez and Guerra were rated as the #35 and #52 top prospects in all of baseball by Baseball America. And Humber had cracked the top 100 the year before the trade but dropped out because of injury concerns. And Mulvey had actually topped Humber the year of the trade in most prospect rankings and was the Met's #4 rated prospect that year. We got the Met's #2, #3, #4 and #7 rated prospects in their organization in that trade.

It turned out to be a crap trade for us but that was because the Twins had picked the wrong prospects and, per usual, did a TERRIBLE job of developing the talent.

To give you an idea: If we tried to give the Reds the equivalant rated prospects that we got in the Santana trade, we would have to give up Meyers and Stewart (rated #45 and #52 last year) and two other players like Rosario and Thorpe.

Who cares if we can afford him, if it makes us better this year some of the top FA's would listen if the Twins came calling as we would be viewed as a team on the rise with a great stadium and great young players ready to explode.

You can't trade the type of prospects it would take to get him for a one year rental in hopes it changes perception around the league. And it wouldn't matter much anyway because the Twins after acquiring Cueto wouldn't have any big money left to throw around this offseason.

5'11 - 215 is a midget? Shit, i'm a midget!

Yeah that is normal size for you or I but small pitchers don't hold up well over time more often than not. Small pitchers have to put way more stress on their arm, shoulder and elbow so much more than a taller pitcher simply because of the laws of angular momentum.

 

[ducky]

Twins To Sign Ervin Santana ? MLB Trade Rumors

Woo hoo!

Yeah I think he will be OK for us. His problem is that he gives up way too many HR's and that will be somewhat mitigated in the large confines of Target Field.

But hopefully we get lucky and one of the Twin's prospects develops into an ace because we are, typical of the disaster that is the GM work of Terry Ryan, he is putting together a staff composed of pitchers that should be no better than a #3 starters on a competitive team.

 

[powerchord86]

I have wanted the Twins to sign this guy the past couple seasons. The dude is solid and should finally be another reliable arm to go behind Hughes.

The last two seasons Ervin Santana has tossed about 200 innings each with an ERA under 4 while striking out over 160 in both seasons. Yes, we should be happy about this.

 

[Nosferatu]

At the time of that trade Gomez and Guerra were rated as the #35 and #52 top prospects in all of baseball by Baseball America. And Humber had cracked the top 100 the year before the trade but dropped out because of injury concerns. And Mulvey had actually topped Humber the year of the trade in most prospect rankings and was the Met's #4 rated prospect that year. We got the Met's #2, #3, #4 and #7 rated prospects in their organization in that trade.

It turned out to be a crap trade for us but that was because the Twins had picked the wrong prospects and, per usual, did a TERRIBLE job of developing the talent.

To give you an idea: If we tried to give the Reds the equivalant rated prospects that we got in the Santana trade, we would have to give up Meyers and Stewart (rated #45 and #52 last year) and two other players like Rosario and Thorpe.



You can't trade the type of prospects it would take to get him for a one year rental in hopes it changes perception around the league. And it wouldn't matter much anyway because the Twins after acquiring Cueto wouldn't have any big money left to throw around this offseason.




Yeah that is normal size for you or I but small pitchers don't hold up well over time more often than not. Small pitchers have to put way more stress on their arm, shoulder and elbow so much more than a taller pitcher simply because of the laws of angular momentum.

29 year old Johnny Cueto is a 1X All Star 0X Cy Young Winner who has had 1 dominating season.
29 year old Johan Santana was a 3X All Star 2X Cy Young Winner who was the most dominating lefty in the AL.

Really don't think the Reds will be able to ask for as much as the Twins should have been able to do.

The trade was shit when it happened and everyone knew it, Gomez was a wild swinging punk kid who could just as easily be out of the game in 3 years as a starter for the Twins. Guerra looked like the Jewel in the trade but never did anything. Humber and Mulvey were throw ins who were average at best in the minors. Who gives a shit where they were ranked in the Mets system, the Mets system sucked!

The Twins got taken in the deal because we didn't wanna trade Johan to an American League team.

Pedro Martinez : 5'11 170
Greg Maddux : 6'0 170
Tom Glavine : 6'0 175
Tom Seaver : 6'1 195
David Cone : 6'1 180

I think Cueto will be fine...

 

[powerchord86]

 

[mr.hockey4242]

Yeah I'm with Nos on the Cueto thing. It wouldn't take anything ridiculous to get him(if it for some reason did then ya I say don't do it) and he definitely can hold up. He has had some injuries but they are not related to his relatively small pitching stature. And while he pitched in the NL he has been a very consisntely good pitcher over there so coming to the AL I still think he has great years as he's just coming into his PRIME.


Now on the move that actually did happen. Ervin Santana. I like it. Per usual with the Twins it is nothing earth shattering but it sure as hell beats Mike Pelfrey and Sidney Ponson additions. It also is way better than the Nolasco deal as well due to Santana having experience in this league.


Hopefully like Hughes, his homer rates drop at this park and according to all the reports he enjoys pitching in colder weather so that's always great to hear.


Frustrating as shit seeing Mat Latos go to the Marlins though. Another guy that it is inexcusable to kick around on. Dillon Gee? Have some standards Terry.


Santana a good move though.

 

[powerchord86]

Minnesota Twins spring home almost ready


Looks pretty darn sweet. I gotta find my way out there one of these years.

ST cannot come soon enough.

 

[powerchord86]

Twins To Extend Phil Hughes ? MLB Trade Rumors


Gotta love that!