trent williams to browns ?

[Sknzrule]

On a side note, I cant wait to see how well Morgan Moses plays this week. He always seems to be at his best (SARCASM) just after publicly voicing his opinions on the Trent Williams situation and the subsequent mistreatment there of.

 

[Sportster 72]

Contracts, owners/FO types and players. No doubt we as fans tend to say well he is making a lot of money and he signed a contract so he should be there. No doubt an owner or GM can cut a guy before the contract is complete. Some portion of that contract still has to be paid … severance pay.

Sty made a point about Cousin's contract and it being fully guaranteed and that is a valid point. It will be interesting to see if that becomes the new norm or his agent was just damned good.

Now most us do not make $15 million a year and if any of you do let me know so I can come buy you a beer and be your new best friend.

Most of us don't get to sign a contract. I don't know what everyone else does but I bet I am not the only one that works at a job where less and less people are needed all the time. I have been laid off (cut) three times. It is not a good feeling when you get a tap on the shoulder and are told you are no longer needed. My point is, it doesn't just happen to NFL players.

It is interesting/hard watching someone who did play in the NFL for some time and all the sudden does not have a job. Most of these guys that is all they have ever done. Most aren't prepared for this. I have watched several go through this.

Trent's situation and how he has handled it is sad to me. He can't make up for the lost money. Even if he plays for a shitty owner.

 

[Rowdy]

TW= fat AB

 

[Rowdy]

Ok, he finally talks.

 

[Rowdy]

 

[Breed]

if Bruce got a whif of Trents malcontent he should have acted upon that and traded him.

If he got a whiff? Really? Not even I think Bruce is that fuckin stupid. He knew. He's just a vindictive bitch who due to the job security Snyder continues to give him. Likes getting into pissing matches

Bottom line is in life if you and another individual come to an agreement and whether you seal the deal with a handshakeshake or contract it should honored.

I've seen countless fans use these ^^^^^ words or some just like em when their mad because a player wants to renegotiate his contract or is holding out because he is surpassing the production expectations that were placed upon him . I've never once seen a fan say shit like it though when their team cuts a player who isn't living up to the production expectations that were placed upon him.

 

[countryroads316]

He is saying it was cancer not just a growth

 

[Rowdy]

He is saying it was cancer not just a growth

well, I’m sure football doctors don’t specialize in cancer diagnosis

 

[Rowdy]

This isn’t going to go away

 

[gkekoa]

Ok, he finally talks.

Almost lost his life? In what world?

 

[Rowdy]

This isn’t going to go away

I really hope this does get Bruce fired, but I feel this is kind of like a transcript of a phone call being released that the other side didn’t expect to happen.

 

[skinsdad62]

need time to soak this in but he didnt do what he should have done in my opinion when it first struck

 

[Breed]

well, I’m sure football doctors don’t specialize in cancer diagnosis

You gonna go down with the ship eh.

And you're right. Football doctors don't specialize in diagnosing cancer. It doesn't take a specialist though to say, "Trent I don't have any fuckin idea what that is on your head, but if I were you. I'd get that looked at by someone else." It does take a little more effort than saying "It's nothing." and therein might be the problem. Maybe the Skins medical staff is as ass backwards thinking as Bruce Allen.

 

[gkekoa]

Did anybody actually read or listen to what TW said? He claims he almost died but it sure doesn’t sound like it. The worst prognosis he was given is fifteen years. Are you f’n kidding me?

They had to cut it out. Big deal. That is preferable to chemo no matter what.

This was strictly about money. He wanted more guaranteed money in his final two years. Hey Trent, that is what the initial contract was for...just in case your career ends.

I have lost all respect for him and can’t wait to see what happens when the review of his medical comes back and says...Trent should have done less pot and then maybe he would have understood what the doctors actually told him.

 

[Stymietee]

Depends, because that issue is such that it splits nationally. Many are currently using to alleviate different ailments now while there are other who stand totally against its use. His use at a time in which the league stood against it has been subject to controversy as well. It's recreational as well, and as far as I'm concerned no different than an underage kid smoking cigarettes or an NFl owner bending an elbow in order to drown himself in liquor.

I dont buy "it depends"-- while I could give two shits if players smoke weed the league stipulates there are consequences if you choose to do so. Sty- I admire your eloquent prose and you are a rhetorical assassin but from my vantage point you seem to believe TW is completely absolved of any responsibility or accountability on his behalf and that he is an innocent victim. Granted, if Bruce got a whif of Trents malcontent he should have acted upon that and traded him. Bottom line is in life if you and another individual come to an agreement and whether you seal the deal with a handshakeshake or contract it should honored. A Majority of individuals in Society today dont accept responsibilty for their actions. We have created a generation of entitled bitch ass brats who complain about inequity and woe is me pussies who have no fucking idea what it means to have passion or conviction for anything other than social media apps and video games. I apologize for my digression. ✌

Let me start wit this...I truly appreciate the kind words, we are family here, and I suppose some of what you and others are posting here, is finally rubbing off on ole' Sty. Thank you!

Now, in response to the body of your post, Trent Williams is in no way completely absolved of his responsibility and/or accountability in this matter. In fact, I'll agree with each and every charge that has been levied against him with respect to his MJ use. He knew the risk, took said risk and ultimately paid the price for the "offense.

From that perspective, he's no angel or innocent victim, but they absolved him from having to wear the Scarlet letter because kept him, didn't they?

With respect to the charges here that he wants a reworked contract, who doesn't? The workplace really doesn't matter because, given the opportunity to increase income, with very few exceptions, most in this country would do what's necessary to obtain the same. That's just business in this country, the only difference being (if true) he's staging a single person strike vs. those who are able to do so as union members. That said, I don't believe these charges are true. However, for clarity, I too believe that under typical conditions, contracts should be honored and doubt that anyone on our board will contest the counter charge that he has been working under typical conditions, even by NFL standards.

Finally, I have no counter debating points to offer with respect to your general assessment on today's society. No apology is necessary!

 

[Stymietee]

After reading some of the posts here, some answers are in order.

Dermatofibrosarcoma Protuberans (DFSP) is indeed a rare form of cancer, comprising .01% of all malignant tumors.
I have no formal information on the original, current, or pre-surgical, size of his tumor. Think of it as something that has tentacles that attach to connective tissues (generally fat), muscle and bone. In early identification it presents as a flattened patch of tissue, often with a purplish, more often a darker shade than the hosts original color. It is a genetic problem more often associated with African American and when detected early the cure rate is 100%.

So, a few thoughts based upon his interview tells me that his case was dismissed as nothing a few years back. I believe, that he mentioned, it was first looked at sometime during the Shanahan years, so, 2009-2013 is our working time frame.

He also mentioned a tumor and that is important as it tells us that there was significant unattended growth. At this point I wish someone had asked him if it was treated by a dermatologist or a team of specialists. Based upon that, I would be able to make the determination related to severity, and whether or not there was some intrusion into the cranial cavity.

Finally, he talked about potentially losing his life and he's correct in making this statement as it comes directly from his medical team, generally in this form; "If left untreated, over time..."

Again, I have no first hand information related to this case, however, you all now have some basis upon which you are able to make better informed posts. I've attached some pictures of this below.

Two cases of recurrent scalp Dermatofibrosarcoma imaging:



Two cases of recurrent scalp Dermatofibrosarcoma imaging:

Head and neck Dermatofibrosarcoma imaging:

 

[Sportster 72]

All good info Sty, why didn't Trent go to the oncologist that was offered by Snyder? Erin Hawksworth reported that Trent told her Snyder was going to fly him to a leading oncologist.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

That is pretty significant stuff to any kind of trade. If the skins had even the slightest clue on that their asking price was not in line with risk associated

 

[j_y19]

Let me start wit this...I truly appreciate the kind words, we are family here, and I suppose some of what you and others are posting here, is finally rubbing off on ole' Sty. Thank you!

Now, in response to the body of your post, Trent Williams is in no way completely absolved of his responsibility and/or accountability in this matter. In fact, I'll agree with each and every charge that has been levied against him with respect to his MJ use. He knew the risk, took said risk and ultimately paid the price for the "offense.

From that perspective, he's no angel or innocent victim, but they absolved him from having to wear the Scarlet letter because kept him, didn't they?

With respect to the charges here that he wants a reworked contract, who doesn't? The workplace really doesn't matter because, given the opportunity to increase income, with very few exceptions, most in this country would do what's necessary to obtain the same. That's just business in this country, the only difference being (if true) he's staging a single person strike vs. those who are able to do so as union members. That said, I don't believe these charges are true. However, for clarity, I too believe that under typical conditions, contracts should be honored and doubt that anyone on our board will contest the counter charge that he has been working under typical conditions, even by NFL standards.

Finally, I have no counter debating points to offer with respect to your general assessment on today's society. No apology is necessary!

So i don't disagree with the vast majority of this, but what are the atypical conditions that Trent finds himself in that he should not have to honor the contract?

 

[Sknzrule]

That is pretty significant stuff to any kind of trade. If the skins had even the slightest clue on that their asking price was not in line with risk associated

You will forgive me if I don,t take the Brown's as the voice of reason on this.