POLL Top 10 poll: #25 player ever

[calsnowskier]

1) Babe Ruth (defeated Willie Mays 23-9)
2) Willie Mays (defeated Barry Bonds 26-11)
3) Ted Williams (defeated Barry Bonds 18-17)
4) Barry Bonds (defeated Hank Aaron and Ty Cobb 20-11-8)
5) Hank Aaron (defeated Ty Cobb 17-16)
6) Ty Cobb (defeated Lou Gehrig 24-9)
7) Lou Gehrig (defeated Walter Johnson 19-10)
8) Mickey Mantle (defeated Walter Johnson 17-12)
9) Walter Johnson (defeated Stan Musial and Rogers Hornsby 18-7-3)
10) Stan Musial (defeated Rogers Hornsby 15-10)
11) Rogers Hornsby (defeated H. Wagner, R. Henderson, M. Schmidt and R. Clemens 15-4-3-2-1)
12) Honus Wagner (defeated Roger Clemens 19-8)
13) Mike Schmidt (defeated Roger Clemens 16-12)
14) Rickey Henderson (defeated Roger Clemens 17-13)
15) Roger Clemens (defeated Ken Griffey Jr 16-14)
16) Randy Johnson (defeated Tris Speaker 16-11)
17) Tris Speaker (defeated Greg Maddux 18-12)
18) Greg Maddux (defeated Albert Pujols 17-9)
19) Joe DiMaggio (defeated Albert Pujols 17-13)
20) Albert Pujols (defeated Pedro Martinez 16-14)
21) Pedro Martinez (defeated Jimmie Foxx 20-10)
22) Jimmie Foxx (defeated Cy Young, Lefty Grove and Christy Mathewson 16-12-2-1)
23) Cy Young (defeated Lefty Grove 17-13)
24) Lefty Grove (defeated Ken Griffey Jr 21-9)

Who is the #25 player ever? This poll will close Friday AM.

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[calsnowskier]

I kinda messed up the top of the options, and to move everyone up a spot, it would have been a pain in the ass.

 

[steveringo]

How many of you still have more than 10 players above Griffey Jr?

 

[calsnowskier]

With Lefty off the board, this opens my top spot again.

I THINK I am stumping Robinson now, but I am open to hear arguments. Maybe we go catcher here? Is it time for Trout? Do we go way back and look at Ott? How about the 2B triplets? Do we go with another pitcher here?

 

[LHG]

Updated for #23:
1) Babe Ruth (1914-1935)
2) Willie Mays (1951-1973)
3) Ted Williams (1939-1960)
4) Barry Bonds (1986-2007)
5) Hank Aaron (1954-1976)
6) Ty Cobb (1905-1928)
7) Lou Gehrig (1923-1939)
8) Mickey Mantle (1951-1968)
9) Walter Johnson (1907-1927)
10) Stan Musial (1941-1963)
11) Rogers Hornsby (1915-1937)
12) Honus Wagner (1897-1917)
13) Mike Schmidt (1972-1989)
14) Rickey Henderson (1979-2003)
15) Roger Clemens (1984-2007)
16) Randy Johnson (1988-2009)
17) Tris Speaker (1907-1928)
18) Greg Maddux (1986-2008)
19) Joe DiMaggio (1936-1951)
20) Albert Pujols (2001-2022)
21) Pedro Martinez (1992-2009)
22) Jimmie Foxx (1925-1945)
23) Cy Young (1890-1911)

1876-1889
1890-1896 - 1
1897-1904 - 2
1905-1906 - 3
1907-1911 - 5
1912-1913 - 4
1914 - 5
1915-1917 - 6
1918-1922 - 5
1923-1924 - 6
1925-1927 - 7
1928 - 6
1929-1935 - 3
1936-1937 - 4
1938 - 4
1939 - 3
1940 - 2
1941-1945 - 4
1946-1950 - 3
1951 - 5
1952-1953 - 4
1954-1960 - 5
1961-1963 - 4
1964-1968 - 3
1969-1971 - 2
1972-1973 - 3
1974-1976 - 2
1977-1978 - 1
1979-1983 - 2
1984-1985 - 3
1986-1987 - 5
1988-1989 - 6
1990-1991 - 5
1992-2000 - 6
2001-2003 - 7
2004-2007 - 6
2008 - 4
2009 - 3
2010-2022 - 1
2023-2024 - 0

Updated for #24:
1) Babe Ruth (1914-1935)
2) Willie Mays (1951-1973)
3) Ted Williams (1939-1960)
4) Barry Bonds (1986-2007)
5) Hank Aaron (1954-1976)
6) Ty Cobb (1905-1928)
7) Lou Gehrig (1923-1939)
8) Mickey Mantle (1951-1968)
9) Walter Johnson (1907-1927)
10) Stan Musial (1941-1963)
11) Rogers Hornsby (1915-1937)
12) Honus Wagner (1897-1917)
13) Mike Schmidt (1972-1989)
14) Rickey Henderson (1979-2003)
15) Roger Clemens (1984-2007)
16) Randy Johnson (1988-2009)
17) Tris Speaker (1907-1928)
18) Greg Maddux (1986-2008)
19) Joe DiMaggio (1936-1951)
20) Albert Pujols (2001-2022)
21) Pedro Martinez (1992-2009)
22) Jimmie Foxx (1925-1945)
23) Cy Young (1890-1911)
24) Lefty Grove (1925-1941)

1876-1889
1890-1896 - 1
1897-1904 - 2
1905-1906 - 3
1907-1911 - 5
1912-1913 - 4
1914 - 5
1915-1917 - 6
1918-1922 - 5
1923-1924 - 6
1925-1927 - 8
1928 - 7
1929-1935 - 4
1936-1937 - 5
1938 - 3
1939 - 4
1940 - 3
1941 - 5
1942-1945 - 4
1946-1950 - 3
1951 - 5
1952-1953 - 4
1954-1960 - 5
1961-1963 - 4
1964-1968 - 3
1969-1971 - 2
1972-1973 - 3
1974-1976 - 2
1977-1978 - 1
1979-1983 - 2
1984-1985 - 3
1986-1987 - 5
1988-1989 - 6
1990-1991 - 5
1992-2000 - 6
2001-2003 - 7
2004-2007 - 6
2008 - 4
2009 - 3
2010-2022 - 1
2023-2024 - 0

 

[calsnowskier]

How many of you still have more than 10 players above Griffey Jr?

Just looking at OF, I think he is probably #4 at best (Robinson, Ott, Trout). But then you have to look at the 2B as possibilities and at least one of the catchers.

 

[LHG]

How many of you still have more than 10 players above Griffey Jr?

The next 10 I'm looking at are:
Mike Trout
Eddie Collins
Alex Rodriguez
Grover Alexander
Mel Ott
Christy Matthewson
Nap Lajoie
Frank Robinson
Eddie Mathews
Kid Nichols

I'm willing to slot Griffey in the bottom half of this list.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

a few rounds ago i was being very anti Cy Young, mostly because i didnt yet do the analysis for him... and was saying Mathewson was better than young...

after i did a quick analysis, i saw Young to be far superior... and kind of lost my Mathewson Stump... i actually dont see him to be much different from Alexander, Seaver, Gibson, and Koufax...

and problem with a larger tier for pitching, is that it is too scary to look at and then you go offense..

so my three this time out are all position players...

AROD- i think it is time, if it wasnt for the stigma, he could have been top 10... i think the push down is now too much...

then i have Ott, Robinson and Morgan in the next tier, and can only pick 2 of them... i omitted Robinson because honestly, i think he has done the least of the three...

 

[steveringo]

I kinda messed up the top of the options, and to move everyone up a spot, it would have been a pain in the ass.

Here's a breakdown of Oscar Charleston's salary history:

• Indianapolis ABCs: He was paid $325 per month.
  
  
• Saint Louis Giants: He signed with them in 1921, earning $400 per month, the highest in the league.
  
  
• Indianapolis ABCs: He returned to the ABCs at a salary of $325 per month.
  
  
• Gift from Fans: Charleston received $500 as a gift from fans on July 23, which was proclaimed as Charleston Day at the Giants' home park.

 

[calsnowskier]

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[LHG]

a few rounds ago i was being very anti Cy Young, mostly because i didnt yet do the analysis for him... and was saying Mathewson was better than young...

after i did a quick analysis, i saw Young to be far superior... and kind of lost my Mathewson Stump... i actually dont see him to be much different from Alexander, Seaver, Gibson, and Koufax...

and problem with a larger tier for pitching, is that it is too scary to look at and then you go offense..

so my three this time out are all position players...

AROD- i think it is time, if it wasnt for the stigma, he could have been top 10... i think the push down is now too much...

then i have Ott, Robinson and Morgan in the next tier, and can only pick 2 of them... i omitted Robinson because honestly, i think he has done the least of the three...

Why Morgan over Collins and Lajoie? I know you see him as better but I'd like to hear more why.

 

[VikingFan2k2]

See @calsnowskier It is all evening out. The pro Griffey team disappeared or was just not that strong to begin with.

 

[VikingFan2k2]

How many of you still have more than 10 players above Griffey Jr?

Not quite 10, but I could argue for 20.

 

[msgkings322]

I nominate a pitcher every round, Lefty was that, so now who should I nominate?

Mathewson, Alexander, or a modern like Koufax/Gibson/Seaver?

 

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[MilkSpiller22]

Why Morgan over Collins and Lajoie? I know you see him as better but I'd like to hear more why.

i will admit, a lot is based on the deadball era bias... i dont like not really fully understanding what type of bat a guy is...

 

[MilkSpiller22]

I nominate a pitcher every round, Lefty was that, so now who should I nominate?

Mathewson, Alexander, or a modern like Koufax/Gibson/Seaver?

i like the modern 3 you included more than the oldie 2... they are all in the same tier for me though...

 

[LHG]

i will admit, a lot is based on the deadball era bias... i dont like not really fully understanding what type of bat a guy is...

Which is why I like OPS+. I know that there are no stats you like but you have to measure by something and that seems to be one of the better statistic to use to compare eras.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Which is why I like OPS+. I know that there are no stats you like but you have to measure by something and that seems to be one of the better statistic to use to compare eras.

didnt say there is nothing i like... i just dont like adjusted stats, they actually dont tell you what you think they do...

 

[LHG]

I nominate a pitcher every round, Lefty was that, so now who should I nominate?

Mathewson, Alexander, or a modern like Koufax/Gibson/Seaver?

i like the modern 3 you included more than the oldie 2... they are all in the same tier for me though...

Name	200+	190-199	180-189	170-179	160-169	150-159	140-149	130-139	120-129	Seasons Ranked
Christy Matthewson	2​	0​	0​	0​	3​	3​	0​	3​	1​	12​
Grover Alexander	1​	0​	0​	1​	4​	1​	0​	1​	8​	16​
Bob Gibson	1​	0​	0​	0​	1​	1​	1​	4​	3​	11​
Sandy Koufax	0​	1​	1​	0​	1​	1​	1​	1​	1​	7​
Tom Seaver	0​	1​	0​	1​	1​	0​	4​	2​	4​	13​
Kid Nichols	0​	0​	0​	2​	2​	1​	1​	4​	2​	12​