Top 10 poll #2: #2 player in history - Runoff

[calsnowskier]

I don’t know how you could vote bone number two. The guy cheated his way to the home run king

He didn’t cheat.

 

[calsnowskier]

I suspect he will be in the runoff vote for #3

Agree. I will be voting for the loser of this runoff for #3, but I expect it to be against Teddy (my #4).

 

[calsnowskier]

its also very hard to compare pitching and offense... not sure how and where we will set that line at.... at pitchers i think are harder to compare between eras than hitters...

I agree. But Ohtani and Ruth, imho, make it impossible to separate them out.

And seeing WHERE that line is is actually something I am really looking forward to.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Agree. I will be voting for the loser of this runoff for #3, but I expect it to be against Teddy (my #4).

this logic i just dont understand.... i can not fathom why anyone would think Mays had a better career than Bonds other than steroids... so if Bonds is not #2 he should not on the list IMO.... and i wont vote for him after this, because the board has spoken and i hate hypocrites, whether they realize they are being one or not....

 

[black francis]

Mays. No roids. No cheating

How do you know?

 

[Sportsguy9695]

He didn’t cheat.

How don’t you call steroids not cheating?

 

[calsnowskier]

this logic i just dont understand.... i can not fathom why anyone would think Mays had a better career than Bonds other than steroids... so if Bonds is not #2 he should not on the list IMO.... and i wont vote for him after this, because the board has spoken and i hate hypocrites, whether they realize they are being one or not....

Bonds put his numbers up in an era of elevated numbers. Sure, he dominated the era, but most eras have a player or two who dominated. Opinion is where the difference sits. And I am fine with people OPINING that Bonds was the best or the 5th best. Dropping him below that will cause me to lose respect for you, but it is is still your opinion.

 

[calsnowskier]

How don’t you call steroids not cheating?

It wasn’t against the rules.

 

[Clayton]

this logic i just dont understand.... i can not fathom why anyone would think Mays had a better career than Bonds other than steroids... so if Bonds is not #2 he should not on the list IMO.... and i wont vote for him after this, because the board has spoken and i hate hypocrites, whether they realize they are being one or not....

ESPN has Mays at 2 and Bonds at 8. If you get the average of people who thought he cheated and those who thought he didnt then it probably comes out in a similar fashion when you poll people

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Bonds put his numbers up in an era of elevated numbers. Sure, he dominated the era, but most eras have a player or two who dominated. Opinion is where the difference sits. And I am fine with people OPINING that Bonds was the best or the 5th best. Dropping him below that will cause me to lose respect for you, but it is is still your opinion.

and this again is where people's opinions cab be wrong.... if you dont want to have bonds on the list because he is a cheater, that is cool.... i respect that, i disagree but i respect it...

if he is on the list then you are saying steroids is not a big issue... and there is no way without steroids that anyone can say Bonds was not either the best or second best player of all time.... that is just being biased....

 

[MilkSpiller22]

ESPN has Mays at 2 and Bonds at 8. If you get the average of people who thought he cheated and those who thought he didnt then it probably comes out in a similar fashion when you poll people

absolutely... but we are a smaller group, and we are voting per seeding...

if we all put in our top 10s and just averaged it, we would be getting a much different result...

 

[Shanemansj13]

I SAW Barry play for years, and it is hard to imagine anyone dominating the game to the degree that he did. But then I hear (and have heard my whole life) how everyone who saw Mays play came away with the same opinion. And he had the all-time great D to go along with everything else. Bonds was solid defensively early in his career, but he became a statue out there later, and I can’t help but detract him for that. Those years were a LOT of why he is so high on the list, so you can’t just toss that performance the way you can with Rickey’s late-years where he was just hanging out after his legacy was already written.

8 GG’s is more than just solid. Mays fell off quicker than Bonds offensively, some can say it was bc of roids. What Barry did in his late 30’s and even in his 40’s is beyond ridiculous. He was still drawing walks anf getting on base like crazy. Nobody can contend with Bonds if we are talking about peak except Ruth.

The question is Mays defense a bigger gap than Bonds had offensively over Mays or any player: longevity, peak, etc? That is tough bc we never saw anything like what Bonds did. I got Bonds bf of dominance and peak

 

[calsnowskier]

absolutely... but we are a smaller group, and we are voting per seeding...

if we all put in our top 10s and just averaged it, we would be getting a much different result...

Exactly why I am doing it like this.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Exactly why I am doing it like this.

and back to why i would have a problem with bonds being on the list if he is not first or second... i guess i would be fine if a pitcher was in front of him... but that was never happening....

 

[calsnowskier]

8 GG’s is more than just solid. Mays fell off quicker than Bonds offensively, some can say it was bc of roids. What Barry did in his late 30’s and even in his 40’s is beyond ridiculous. He was still drawing walks anf getting on base like crazy. Nobody can contend with Bonds if we are talking about peak except Ruth.

The question is Mays defense a bigger gap than Bonds had offensively over Mays or any player: longevity, peak, etc? That is tough bc we never saw anything like what Bonds did. I got Bonds bf of dominance and peak

As I said earlier, Bonds played in an incredible offensive era. Just blindly looking at his numbers and declaring them better than Mays’ isn’t fair, imho.

As msg stated, I am still voting Mays here, but I have absolutely no prob with people going Bonds instead. Ask me this same question in 20 years, and I may very well laugh at the fact that I didn’t vote Bonds here.

 

[Clayton]

and back to why i would have a problem with bonds being on the list if he is not first or second... i guess i would be fine if a pitcher was in front of him... but that was never happening....

It could easily happen. I'd imagine anti-Bonds people will just vote against him for awhile.

 

[calsnowskier]

It could easily happen. I'd imagine anti-Bonds people will just vote against him for awhile.

I do t get the sense there is a BIG anti-Bonds contingent here. I fully expect him to win the #3 runoff.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

As I said earlier, Bonds played in an incredible offensive era. Just blindly looking at his numbers and declaring them better than Mays’ isn’t fair, imho.

As msg stated, I am still voting Mays here, but I have absolutely no prob with people going Bonds instead. Ask me this same question in 20 years, and I may very well laugh at the fact that I didn’t vote Bonds here.

but why are you voting mays?? is it just because he is more of a legend?? thats what it sounds like to me... if you dont think bonds cheated and you think mays is better, then i wonder what else i can sell ya....

 

[Sportsguy9695]

It wasn’t against the rules.

Right it’s not against the rules but you still can hit the ball much better than everyone else. I consider that cheating

 

[MilkSpiller22]

and yes... i am getting my panties in a twist about this... i think it is absurdly rediculous that anyone would vote Mays over bonds, and then vote bonds at all...

you are either anti bonds or he is 1 or 2....