Tom Coughlin Out

[Judge Fudge]

@Rock Strongo. Ur thoughts on this sir???????

 

[flyerhawk]

I think you're underestimating that team. In 2011 Eli had over 4900 yards and Hakeem Nicks over 1100 yards to go along with Cruz. Tuck and Osi missed 7 games each, Pierre Paul missed 4 but they came back strong for the playoffs. The O line was more than solid as well. Rolle was really good that year as well.

I believe they are the only team in NFL history to win a Super Bowl and have a negative scoring margin in the regular season. I think they are the only team to ever make the Super Bowl with a negative scoring margin.

Osi was at the end of his career. JPP played in every game.

Every team deals with injuries.

The Giants were extremely fortunate with turnovers in the playoffs that year.

 

[packerzrule]

Coughlin is a class act and one hellava coach

I'm sure he won't be out of work for long

 

[Cyder]

I believe they are the only team in NFL history to win a Super Bowl and have a negative scoring margin in the regular season. I think they are the only team to ever make the Super Bowl with a negative scoring margin.

Osi was at the end of his career. JPP played in every game.

Every team deals with injuries.

The Giants were extremely fortunate with turnovers in the playoffs that year.

As I said, they got healthy for the playoffs. The negative scoring margins were the results of injuries to several key players during the season. The whole "every team deals with injuries" is a load of shit IMO. It depends on who the injuries are to and if they are concentrated in certain positions.

They were also the only team I can remember that was dead last in the league in rushing but that becomes meaningless if your featured RB is out and returns in time for the playoffs along with some of the O line getting healthy.

I'll double check on Pierre Paul, I could swore the stats I looked at said 12 games but maybe that was starts

 

[flyerhawk]

As I said, they got healthy for the playoffs. The negative scoring margins were the results of injuries to several key players during the season. The whole "every team deals with injuries" is a load of shit IMO. It depends on who the injuries are to and if they are concentrated in certain positions.

In the context of this conversation it doesn't matter because we are talking about who the most talented teams were. If you lose 1 or 2 non-QB players and you become a mediocre football team you are most certainly NOT a very talented team.

If the Niner punt returner doesn't muff TWO punts and lose them, the Giants season is over.

Don't get me wrong. I hate the Niners and like the Giants a little but they were not the more talented team that year.

 

[Cyder]

In the context of this conversation it doesn't matter because we are talking about who the most talented teams were. If you lose 1 or 2 non-QB players and you become a mediocre football team you are most certainly NOT a very talented team.

If the Niner punt returner doesn't muff TWO punts and lose them, the Giants season is over.

Don't get me wrong. I hate the Niners and like the Giants a little but they were not the more talented team that year.

My argument isn't that they were more talented, just that they had more talent than given credit for. And they lost more than 1 or 2 non QB players during the season. Their top 2 RB's were either injured or hobbled for most of the year. I also think their O line was much better than people remember.

 

[Johnnydollaz89]

Honestly.................

Coach Cowher?

I think he's content with being on the pre-game shows

 

[Johnnydollaz89]

Does the offense look better because of him or because of Odell?

Definitely Odell, but Eli has looked much better in his second season under that offense

 

[Cyder]

Definitely Odell, but Eli has looked much better in his second season under that offense

True but the O line is a lot better this year as well. Eli was running for his life a lot of the last 2 years

 

[Johnnydollaz89]

True but the O line is a lot better this year as well. Eli was running for his life a lot of the last 2 years

But they were also hurt for most of the season. They still need to address the O-Line as well

 

[Cyder]

In the context of this conversation it doesn't matter because we are talking about who the most talented teams were. If you lose 1 or 2 non-QB players and you become a mediocre football team you are most certainly NOT a very talented team.

If the Niner punt returner doesn't muff TWO punts and lose them, the Giants season is over.

Don't get me wrong. I hate the Niners and like the Giants a little but they were not the more talented team that year.

One more thing. You mentioned non QB injuries and I assume that was because the QB is the most important position on the field. So if we're skewing towards the QB, Eli was so far and away better than Alex Smith that year it evens up the talent disparity quite a bit.

 

[Cyder]

But they were also hurt for most of the season. They still need to address the O-Line as well

I like the new kid Flowers but I agree.

 

[The Q]

Coughlin is guaranteed a 6 figure consulting contract if he wants it just for his work against NE (being robbed this year by the corrupt NFL regardless).

 

[Johnnydollaz89]

I like the new kid Flowers but I agree.

He's good, but still need more around him. Same way the Cowboys protected Romo.

 

[Johnnydollaz89]

Woahhh, Michael Kay just reported from a verified Twitter account just said Chip Kelly is drawing some interest from the Giants, but no way is that a match at all.

 

[Cyder]

Coughlin is guaranteed a 6 figure consulting contract if he wants it just for his work against NE (being robbed this year by the corrupt NFL regardless).

From what I heard on the radio the giants are already paying him his full salary for next year unless he takes a job with another team

 

[flyerhawk]

One more thing. You mentioned non QB injuries and I assume that was because the QB is the most important position on the field. So if we're skewing towards the QB, Eli was so far and away better than Alex Smith that year it evens up the talent disparity quite a bit.

It certainly helps bring the talent gap closer.

 

[Used 2 B Hu]

I really like the guy a lot, and you can't argue with two SB wins, but his teams were boom or bust, and in the years when they didn't win a SB, they often didn't even make the playoffs or they were one-and-done.

Rock would call him the Eli Manning of coaches.

 

[boogiewithstu2007]

He did a great job with the Giants... hard to believe he was there 12 years! Man where does the time go...

 

[DJ]

Wouldn't mind seeing him in Broadcasting.

Except.....it doesn't suit his personality.