t'Official offseason thread

[Bloody Brian Burke]

Has there ever been a time when acquiring negotiating rights before UFA resulted in deal with that team?
I can't think of any

Niemi last year, Brad Stuart in 2012, Ehrhoff in 2011 (after being traded twice). Can't think of any others.

 

[sabresfaninthesouth]

Varlamov with the Avs and Bryz with the Flyers were both after trading for negotiating rights if memory serves.

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

Varlamov with the Avs and Bryz with the Flyers were both after trading for negotiating rights if memory serves.

Bryz was UFA but Varly was an RFA.

 

[forty_three]

NHL Trade Rumors: Flames Contacted Penguins About Marc-Andre Fleury

What the article doesn't say is the "contact" was just the Flames GM laughing for 15 minutes after Fleury's substitute appearance in the playoffs.

LMAFO

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

Said it the other day but if Chicago had to give up Teravainen to ditch one year of Bickell I can't wait to see what Detroit has to give up to dump Datsyuk.

 

[RP-29]

Said it the other day but if Chicago had to give up Teravainen to ditch one year of Bickell I can't wait to see what Detroit has to give up to dump Datsyuk.

Detroit doesn't have to dump Datsyuk's contract.

They've got 10 forwards, 4 defensemen and 1 goalie under contract and are $15M under the cap WITH Datsyuk's $7.5M and Franzen's $4M inevitable LTIR dead money included in that figure.

RFA
Petr Mrazek
Teemu Pulkkinen
Danny DeKeyser
Alexei Marchenko

UFA
Brad Richards
Kyle Quincey
Drew Miller
Darren Helm

Mrazek could probably be re-signed to a short-term bridge deal - 2y $5M or something like that. $2.5 hit.
Pulkkinen for $1M
DeKeyser for $3.5M
Marchenko for $1.5M

That's $8.5M in RFAs and leaves $6.5M for UFAs.
Subtract Franzen and add Mantha that's another $3M in space.

Including RFAs that's already 11F, 6 D, 2G on the roster with quite a few low-cost guys in Grand Rapids waiting for their shot at the NHL too. Holland could even re-sign two or three of those UFAs and still not have to stress about Datsyuk's $7.5M.

 

[sabresfaninthesouth]

Detroit doesn't have to dump Datsyuk's contract.

They've got 10 forwards, 4 defensemen and 1 goalie under contract and are $15M under the cap WITH Datsyuk's $7.5M and Franzen's $4M inevitable LTIR dead money included in that figure.

RFA
Petr Mrazek
Teemu Pulkkinen
Danny DeKeyser
Alexei Marchenko

UFA
Brad Richards
Kyle Quincey
Drew Miller
Darren Helm

Mrazek could probably be re-signed to a short-term bridge deal - 2y $5M or something like that. $2.5 hit.
Pulkkinen for $1M
DeKeyser for $3.5M
Marchenko for $1.5M

That's $8.5M in RFAs and leaves $6.5M for UFAs.
Subtract Franzen and add Mantha that's another $3M in space.

Including RFAs that's already 11F, 6 D, 2G on the roster with quite a few low-cost guys in Grand Rapids waiting for their shot at the NHL too. Holland could even re-sign two or three of those UFAs and still not have to stress about Datsyuk's $7.5M.

I think you may have double-counted the relief from Franzen's LTIR, because the $15M already assumes Franzen's LTIR, so you don't gain an additional $3M when netting him and Mantha at the end.

So, if your RFA numbers are close, they'd have $5.5M for UFAs I think.

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

Detroit doesn't have to dump Datsyuk's contract.

They've got 10 forwards, 4 defensemen and 1 goalie under contract and are $15M under the cap WITH Datsyuk's $7.5M and Franzen's $4M inevitable LTIR dead money included in that figure.

RFA
Petr Mrazek
Teemu Pulkkinen
Danny DeKeyser
Alexei Marchenko

UFA
Brad Richards
Kyle Quincey
Drew Miller
Darren Helm

Mrazek could probably be re-signed to a short-term bridge deal - 2y $5M or something like that. $2.5 hit.
Pulkkinen for $1M
DeKeyser for $3.5M
Marchenko for $1.5M

That's $8.5M in RFAs and leaves $6.5M for UFAs.
Subtract Franzen and add Mantha that's another $3M in space.

Including RFAs that's already 11F, 6 D, 2G on the roster with quite a few low-cost guys in Grand Rapids waiting for their shot at the NHL too. Holland could even re-sign two or three of those UFAs and still not have to stress about Datsyuk's $7.5M.

You do realize Detroit, for the most part, is not a good team and that they will need cap space to become a better one right? The chances Datsyuk 2.0 is in Grand Rapids is very slim and even if YOUNG CROSBY becomes a 60-70 pt player they're still a team in which the leading scorer had a whopping 50 pts last season (second highest was Dats at 49 and he's gone), they still have one of the leakier defences in the league playing in front of either a bad goalie (Howard) or an unproven one (Mrazek)...

The scenario you described is a scenario a team like Chicago employs. That's what consistent contenders do to fit under the cap. Detroit is a team of so-so's and role-players overpaid by a GM without a clue. If Detroit wants a shot in hell of contending next year they absolutely have to dump Datsyuk's contract.

 

[RP-29]

I think you may have double-counted the relief from Franzen's LTIR, because the $15M already assumes Franzen's LTIR, so you don't gain an additional $3M when netting him and Mantha at the end.

So, if your RFA numbers are close, they'd have $5.5M for UFAs I think.

Detroit Red Wings 2016 Salary Cap

I use spotrac.com to check the numbers. Currently lists Detroit's cap space as $17.6M. Franzen is listed in the cap hit pool, but Sheahan's new contract is not yet.

 

[sabresfaninthesouth]

Detroit Red Wings 2016 Salary Cap

I use spotrac.com to check the numbers. Currently lists Detroit's cap space as $17.6M. Franzen is listed in the cap hit pool, but Sheahan's new contract is not yet.

Might be evidence of how hard the cap is to actually figure out without Capgeek, because Detroit Red Wings Salary Cap | General Fanager shows them at about $11M before removing Franzen.

 

[RP-29]

You do realize Detroit, for the most part, is not a good team and that they will need cap space to become a better one right? The chances Datsyuk 2.0 is in Grand Rapids is very slim and even if YOUNG CROSBY becomes a 60-70 pt player they're still a team in which the leading scorer had a whopping 50 pts last season (second highest was Dats at 49 and he's gone), they still have one of the leakier defences in the league playing in front of either a bad goalie (Howard) or an unproven one (Mrazek)...

The scenario you described is a scenario a team like Chicago employs. That's what consistent contenders do to fit under the cap. Detroit is a team of so-so's and role-players overpaid by a GM without a clue. If Detroit wants a shot in hell of contending next year they absolutely have to dump Datsyuk's contract.

Detroit's problems aren't as insurmountable as you're making them out to be in both the roster and the GM.

As much as I love the guy, Datsyuk was actually slowing the team down last year because his body just couldn't do what his mind wanted to do. It's not as far as addition by subtraction, but it's no where near as problematic for the team as when Lidstrom retired. He was probably going to play less than half the season if he came back again anyway.

I definitely concede that Holland does not have a great track record when it comes to signing UFAs in the past decade, but Detroit is still at the top of the league in drafting and developing talent under his watch.

I completely agree that Detroit's defense is not good, but there are no UFAs on the market that will fix it. Burning cap space this offseason will only set the team back. There is a move that could be made right away to help fix the D corps though without touching cap space this year: trade Nyquist for Shattenkirk. Their cap hits are very close in number this year. Shattenkirk is on the final year of his deal and rumors have been circulating for a long time that the Blues might be looking to trade him. A chunk of Datsyuk's $7.5M could go to re-signing Shattenkirk after the trade. Nyquist is a young scorer who still has a few years left on his reasonable contract. I couldn't imagine the Blues not wanting to add Nyquist to their team for a guy they're probably going to lose anyway.

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

Detroit's problems aren't as insurmountable as you're making them out to be in both the roster and the GM.

As much as I love the guy, Datsyuk was actually slowing the team down last year because his body just couldn't do what his mind wanted to do. It's not as far as addition by subtraction, but it's no where near as problematic for the team as when Lidstrom retired. He was probably going to play less than half the season if he came back again anyway.

I definitely concede that Holland does not have a great track record when it comes to signing UFAs in the past decade, but Detroit is still at the top of the league in drafting and developing talent under his watch.

I completely agree that Detroit's defense is not good, but there are no UFAs on the market that will fix it. Burning cap space this offseason will only set the team back. There is a move that could be made right away to help fix the D corps though without touching cap space this year: trade Nyquist for Shattenkirk. Their cap hits are very close in number this year. Shattenkirk is on the final year of his deal and rumors have been circulating for a long time that the Blues might be looking to trade him. A chunk of Datsyuk's $7.5M could go to re-signing Shattenkirk after the trade. Nyquist is a young scorer who still has a few years left on his reasonable contract. I couldn't imagine the Blues not wanting to add Nyquist to their team for a guy they're probably going to lose anyway.

The point I was making is that they aren't insurmountable, but they need the cap space to surmount them.

Detroit has assets they can trade to improve, and if they want to improve via trade by moving assets they will need to take on cap space. Moving Nyqvist (plus, because him alone won't get them Shattenkirk) for a good d-man is good but now you've sacrificed one of your few decent scorers. It's robbing Peter to pay Paul. It would be different if they were a team like Edmonton (really sorry to use the Oilers for comparison, I just couldn't think of another top-heavy team off the top of my head) that could and should spare front-end talent to improve in the back but Detroit moving any scoring is just creating another hole to fill.

This is compounded by Datsyuk leaving - you're right that offensively he might have been restricting the team more and that would likely continue next season but he was still one of the best defensive forwards last year (he was 57% on possession!!) and losing that presence up the middle just exacerbates the need for additional help.

Insurmountable? No, but it will take a lot of wheeling-dealing for NHL talent and that takes cap space. If the Wings want to keep that playoff streak going they absolutely must trade Datsyuk's contract.

 

[Nasty_Magician]

Well if Detroit is looking to dump the contract you might as well throw that and a few picks at the Devils, they're probably locking up their rfas and that's about it. They can have a non existent line of Datsyuk, Clowe and Savard, a great line if it was 2009.

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

Vatanen signs a 4 year extension in Anaheim.

 

[KennyBanyeah]

Vatanen signs a 4 year extension in Anaheim.

Gotta think they look to move Fowler now.

Or buyout Beauchemin?

 

[dash]

Bieksa has a NMC and is on a non-expiring contract which means he will have to be protected.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

*deep breath*

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

[KennyBanyeah]

Gotta think they look to move Fowler now.

Or buyout Beauchemin?

Meant Biessssska

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

Gotta think they look to move Fowler now.

Or buyout Beauchemin?

They can't let Hampus go. Have to move heaven and earth to keep him.

I just really, really wanted Vatanen. Was the perfect right shot fit for the Leafs and the Ducks seemed like perfect trade partners.

 

[puckhead]