Series Thread: tOfficial Mariners 2019 Season Thread

[seahawksfan234]

Eh, Oregon still sucks you guys will go 11-1 with a loss in the Apple Cup.

I'm always cautiously pessimistic when it comes to winning teams and cautiously optimistic when it comes to losing teams (hence why I always try to see the bright side when it comes to the Mariners).

Despite having Utah, Oregon and WSU at home I could see them dropping one of those games along with a road game. If I had to guess I'd say 10-2 or 9-3. There's a ton of turnover and it remains to be seen how all of the replacements will play. Hopefully you're right on Oregon, that's the only team I legitimately hate because I grew up watching them beat up on UW while my Dad would always tell me how Oregon was historically our bitch.

 

[mcnabb7542]

Well let’s see if Leake can put his next start just as good as these last two and they can move him next week for a prospect or two

 

[Cloud]

Wow, I guess I must have missed his statement indicating the 3-4 years to becoming competitive. I have to say that does not surprise me though. (job security) My opinion of Jerry Dipoto is not, and never has been, very high. I don't like the idea of playing musical chairs with GM's but, in general, I have little confidence in the Dipoto/Servais team. I hope I am wrong with the Dipoto piece but I'm pretty confident on my assessment of Servais's skills as a MLB manager. Scott himself stated his experience was primarily as Assistant GM to Dipoto, in charge of scouting/player development with the Angels.

Yeah bro... I tend to follow the off-season more than I do the regular season with this team because of how active he is. So in regard to his "rebuild" timeline here are couple of offseason articles.

While the Mariners’ farm system is clearly improved, the hope for the club is to fuse its current young big league talent with an improved farm system. Dipoto is aiming for a quick rebuild rather than a lengthy tear-down.

"We signed (Yusei) Kikuchi, he is 27, and we have a fun group of big leaguers who are 25 to 28,” Dipoto said. "We will have something to look forward to within the next two years, rather than having to go through a five- to eight-year rebuild.

Jerry Dipoto Charts New Course For Rebuilding Seattle Mariners

Earlier in the article... he straight up said that he does NOT want to go the Oakland route which would require a 3-5 year rebuild. He's looking for a quicker turnaround.

....we're hoping to achieve is to reimagine our roster to look at it in terms of what is our quickest path to a championship club.

... we're just trying to figure out how over the course of these next 1-3 years we can maximize the potential of this roster while building something that has a chance for sustainability."

Dipoto dispels 'teardown' talk for Mariners

There is an offseason discussion among a few of us this past offseason and the M's are actually in full "rebuild" mode. Not a lot of people, including myself were buying into the "rebuild" --- it's more like a "retool" if he's looking for a quick turnaround. When it comes down to it, he's seems like a GM that is under a lot of pressure to make this team competitive again sooner rather than later.

 

[Duders]

Yeah bro... I tend to follow the off-season more than I do the regular season with this team because of how active he is. So in regard to his "rebuild" timeline here are couple of offseason articles.



Earlier in the article... he straight up said that he does NOT want to go the Oakland route which would require a 3-5 year rebuild. He's looking for a quicker turnaround.




There is an offseason discussion among a few of us this past offseason and the M's are actually in full "rebuild" mode. Not a lot of people, including myself were buying into the "rebuild" --- it's more like a "retool" if he's looking for a quick turnaround. When it comes down to it, he's seems like a GM that is under a lot of pressure to make this team competitive again sooner rather than later.

Thanks much for your info Cloud Though it makes more sense that putting together a competitive team won't happen in 2020, I'm just disappointed that we'll be looking at probably a few years. My enthusiasm was hoping for more immediate gratification It's been so long since the M's have been solid contenders that it just flat out sucks that the wait just continues on. Again, thanks for the info bud.

 

[wazzu31]

Yeah bro... I tend to follow the off-season more than I do the regular season with this team because of how active he is. So in regard to his "rebuild" timeline here are couple of offseason articles.



Earlier in the article... he straight up said that he does NOT want to go the Oakland route which would require a 3-5 year rebuild. He's looking for a quicker turnaround.




There is an offseason discussion among a few of us this past offseason and the M's are actually in full "rebuild" mode. Not a lot of people, including myself were buying into the "rebuild" --- it's more like a "retool" if he's looking for a quick turnaround. When it comes down to it, he's seems like a GM that is under a lot of pressure to make this team competitive again sooner rather than later.

I think a lot of us were very skeptical of Jerry’s timeframe. He did work some magic in getting a couple of really solid prospects back, but unless ownership is willing to spend a boat load in FA his window doesn’t seem feasible. So many things have to guy right with his timeframe such as he needs to hit a grand slam (pun intended) on prospects at the same time not rushing them through the minors.

A 2-3 year retool or insert whatever re you want it isn’t really feasible for an organization like the Mariners. The Red Sox, Yankees and a team like the Cubs, sure they can because they A. Will spend the money generally more wisely and B. Don’t have a jaded fan base like we have been. I don’t think even in the worst of worst time did those team routinely get under 15,000 people to show up.

 

[Duders]

Sounds like Tampa Bay pulled off a quickie yesterday having two pitchers on the field at the same time. LOL Boston protested the remainder of the game after Tampa had a pitcher on the hill and another pitcher playing 1st base ready to take over for the mound pitcher. Against the rules?? Umps weren't sure about the situation so the play continued under the Sox's protest. Must have been a first for the MLB no doubt. BTW - Tampa won the game 3-2.

 

[NWinAZ]

 

[seahawksfan234]

Well let’s see if Leake can put his next start just as good as these last two and they can move him next week for a prospect or two

I've been very adamant on this but I don't know why he isn't receiving much interest so far. He's been remarkably consistent for years and his HR issues aside you can generally always rely on him for a solid 6 or 7 innings. I think his market might heat up once some of the bigger names have been traded.

 

[seahawksfan234]

I think a lot of us were very skeptical of Jerry’s timeframe. He did work some magic in getting a couple of really solid prospects back, but unless ownership is willing to spend a boat load in FA his window doesn’t seem feasible. So many things have to guy right with his timeframe such as he needs to hit a grand slam (pun intended) on prospects at the same time not rushing them through the minors.

A 2-3 year retool or insert whatever re you want it isn’t really feasible for an organization like the Mariners. The Red Sox, Yankees and a team like the Cubs, sure they can because they A. Will spend the money generally more wisely and B. Don’t have a jaded fan base like we have been. I don’t think even in the worst of worst time did those team routinely get under 15,000 people to show up.

I agree. I generally tend to lean more towards defending the moves since the end of last season as they were necessary, but I don't believe there is a snowballs chance in hell that the Mariners will contend in late 2020. Our top prospects might get a brief look in late 2020, but realistically I don't see many of them getting a full season until 2021 and unless every one of them steps up drastically as you mentioned, best case scenario is a .500ish finish. It's hard to imagine a bunch of rookies leading the team to the playoffs in 2021.

Unfortunately for those of you guys that hate Jerry I don't think he'll get the rope until 2021 when it becomes obvious that 2022 is realistically when the Mariners would be playoff contenders if everything goes right.

 

[seahawksfan234]

Sounds like Tampa Bay pulled off a quickie yesterday having two pitchers on the field at the same time. LOL Boston protested the remainder of the game after Tampa had a pitcher on the hill and another pitcher playing 1st base ready to take over for the mound pitcher. Against the rules?? Umps weren't sure about the situation so the play continued under the Sox's protest. Must have been a first for the MLB no doubt. BTW - Tampa won the game 3-2.

I didn't hear about that. Pretty interesting. I kind of like how MLB teams have tried to become more creative in an attempt to win games.

Doesn't pertain to the Rays but I actually really like all of the strategy that goes into NL games. You have to utilize your bench properly. IMO being a manager in the NL is much more difficult than the AL.

 

[wazzu31]

I agree. I generally tend to lean more towards defending the moves since the end of last season as they were necessary, but I don't believe there is a snowballs chance in hell that the Mariners will contend in late 2020. Our top prospects might get a brief look in late 2020, but realistically I don't see many of them getting a full season until 2021 and unless every one of them steps up drastically as you mentioned, best case scenario is a .500ish finish. It's hard to imagine a bunch of rookies leading the team to the playoffs in 2021.

Unfortunately for those of you guys that hate Jerry I don't think he'll get the rope until 2021 when it becomes obvious that 2022 is realistically when the Mariners would be playoff contenders if everything goes right.

To be fair I think Jerry worded it as they will be an interesting or something where he didn’t say competitive. And I hate the fact that he is only competitive not challenging for a title or anything.

I’m not a Royals fan at all but I wonder how long it took for that whole squad to start winning. That is what the Mariners are looking at as a model more than the Cubs and Astros. But back to Jerry’s timeframe he is talking like when Boston and the Yankees sucked for 2 years, traded everyone off and were back in the ALCS. The Mariners didn’t have the farm system or collect the amount of prospects those team did in their quick “rebuild”.

I dislike Jerry as a GM and despise everything about the guy in his interviews but he will see this rebuild through. He got his extension and unless all the prospects fall flat on their face he is going to get another one. I can’t see ownership agreeing to do this rebuild only to not renew his contract right when they are suppose to be good, but who knows.

 

[seahawksfan234]

To be fair I think Jerry worded it as they will be an interesting or something where he didn’t say competitive. And I hate the fact that he is only competitive not challenging for a title or anything.

I’m not a Royals fan at all but I wonder how long it took for that whole squad to start winning. That is what the Mariners are looking at as a model more than the Cubs and Astros. But back to Jerry’s timeframe he is talking like when Boston and the Yankees sucked for 2 years, traded everyone off and were back in the ALCS. The Mariners didn’t have the farm system or collect the amount of prospects those team did in their quick “rebuild”.

I dislike Jerry as a GM and despise everything about the guy in his interviews but he will see this rebuild through. He got his extension and unless all the prospects fall flat on their face he is going to get another one. I can’t see ownership agreeing to do this rebuild only to not renew his contract right when they are suppose to be good, but who knows.

I don't like or dislike Jerry as a GM and he has been an improvement over Jack Z and Bill Bavasi, although that's not saying much. I think the way he phrased things was just a PR move. Who the fuck wants to hear the sad truth that the Mariners might contend in 2021 if everything goes right and that 2022 is realistically our best chance?

Every situation is different and I don't think the Mariners should try to copy whatever X or Y team did. We're different from the Royals because we have more money to spend. The Red Sox and Yankees are different because they are able to throw mountains of money at players and every international prospect wants to sign with either of them.

I think Jerry is a pompous prick which doesn't make him any more likable, but as I said I don't think things will go as expected by 2021 and he'll finally get the axe. Whoever replaces him will just need not to fuck up with the pieces in place by then and the amount of money available to spend. I just don't want to see a situation where we go all out and overpay in free agency and end up right back where we were last season with a bunch of bloated contracts bogging us down.

 

[mcnabb7542]

I've been very adamant on this but I don't know why he isn't receiving much interest so far. He's been remarkably consistent for years and his HR issues aside you can generally always rely on him for a solid 6 or 7 innings. I think his market might heat up once some of the bigger names have been traded.

There was an article last week I think where the Ms said they had an offer for him and Leake turn it down, then Leake was asked about it and he said he never heard of it

 

[seahawksfan234]

There was an article last week I think where the Ms said they had an offer for him and Leake turn it down, then Leake was asked about it and he said he never heard of it

Interesting, I didn't hear anything about that. I recall hearing that the D'Backs were interested in him, but that was a while ago and it was later clarified that it never got serious.

Everything I've heard about Leake has been he wants out. I think he'd accept a trade to Siberia at this point.

 

[mcnabb7542]

To be fair I think Jerry worded it as they will be an interesting or something where he didn’t say competitive. And I hate the fact that he is only competitive not challenging for a title or anything.

I’m not a Royals fan at all but I wonder how long it took for that whole squad to start winning. That is what the Mariners are looking at as a model more than the Cubs and Astros. But back to Jerry’s timeframe he is talking like when Boston and the Yankees sucked for 2 years, traded everyone off and were back in the ALCS. The Mariners didn’t have the farm system or collect the amount of prospects those team did in their quick “rebuild”.

I dislike Jerry as a GM and despise everything about the guy in his interviews but he will see this rebuild through. He got his extension and unless all the prospects fall flat on their face he is going to get another one. I can’t see ownership agreeing to do this rebuild only to not renew his contract right when they are suppose to be good, but who knows.

First off I read this long fantastic response and two things pop out to me:

Ownership won’t fire Jerry for the simple fact of the two guys you mentioned they don’t want hire another joker to come in and tear it down any further or trade the farm away for high priced average vets! They are gonna have to see this through now Jerry

 

[Duders]

You guys have a much better handle on what the future is for Jerry/Mariners and I respect all your opinions (whether I like them or not). LOL I guess the nostalgia of the last couple weeks with Gar getting into the HOF and seeing Lou, Griffey the Bone etc. has put me in a pissy mood about the M's organization screwing fans over year after year. Hiring Jerry and now hearing MAYBE after 7 years on the job we "might" have a post season team just makes me mad and disgusted with the whole situation. Seattle deserves better than that IMO. But, it is what it is, and if I don't like it.....tough shit on me.

 

[NWinAZ]

 

[wazzu31]

First off I read this long fantastic response and two things pop out to me:

Ownership won’t fire Jerry for the simple fact of the two guys you mentioned they don’t want hire another joker to come in and tear it down any further or trade the farm away for high priced average vets! They are gonna have to see this through now Jerry

Well Jerry has an actual great argument for his first extension as he was trying to play with the cards he was dealt, and now by year 3 of his new deal he has a great argument for an extension because he hasn’t seen it through. I just think his last extension was really a 6-7 year extension.

 

[NWinAZ]

 

[NWinAZ]