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Now that the facts are out, we know:

1. Incognito was Martin's best friend on the team. They hung out religiously, even after the April phone call.

2. Incognito had Martin's back on the field when a fight broke out and in the locker room when people went after Martin.

3. Incognito did not treat Martin worse than anyone else. He was the team jokester, and most players respected him for it.

4. The "racist" bit on the phone call was actually the reverse of what was popularly portrayed. The n-word was used as a compliment to try to rile him up. I.e. he was asking Martin to be more nigXXX. We can debate the acceptability of that all we want, but that's not how it was portrayed.

5. Incognito had specifically been given the task to fire up Martin. It was widely believed that would involve some tough love.

6. His teammates and ex-teammates all support Incognito over Martin. This includes mostly black players, who Incognito is extremely popular with.

7. The "blackmailing" from the Vegas trip wasn't a blackmail at all. It was a prepaid vacation Martin agreed to and then cancelled.

8. The one paper outlet which has supported Incognito is the Miami Herald. Not coincidentally, those are the people who actually hang out with both parties.

9. Martin never asked offensive line teammates to calm down Incognito. He never spoke to the his coaches. As far as we know, he never even spoke to Incognito. His only contact that we know of was his agent talking to the GM.

10. Now that the facts and locker room support Incognito, they have decided to throw someone else under the bus (GM Jeff Ireland).

There were a lot of people on this site who rushed to judgment to condemn a man based on early reports and preconceived notions. You have now been shown to be wrong. It's time to admit that you made a mistake. It happens. However, you should not let the media manipulate you and assist in this destruction of a man's life just so one player could try to salvage is career after a mental breakdown.
 

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Oh, I forgot #11: After Martin had the mental breakdown in the cafeteria, it was Incognito who was worried and came up to him. Incognito asked if he was at felt and tried to apologize. Martin told him not to worry and that something else was at fault.
 

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Do we know all this for fact??? If so it surely does not look good for martin... But i am tired of our culture... Bully's are the new racists, we dont care about the specifics and we consider the people to be the worst people in the world... Not saying i like bullys, but now our culture tries too hard to squash bullying and expects people to talk it out...
 

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I don't even care. If everything was exactly as the reports against incognito claimed, incognito gets another job. Martin is out of the NFL real quick.
 

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I agree but it ain't gonna happen. Incognito will be vindicated, IMO. I'd like to see Chris Carter and those fools on ESPN Countdown apologize. The knee jerk reaction to this has been ridiculous.
 

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Do we know all this for fact??? If so it surely does not look good for martin... But i am tired of our culture... Bully's are the new racists, we dont care about the specifics and we consider the people to be the worst people in the world... Not saying i like bullys, but now our culture tries too hard to squash bullying and expects people to talk it out...

All of these are either in AP/popular media reports, or in this Miami Herald article or this MMQB article by a former teammate.

And the fact of the matter here is that all the reports show that Martin is the bully. Him (or his agent, who may be the real scum of this whole affair) took a months-old statement to try to justify walking out on his team and having a mental breakdown when he knew it wasn't the reason why. This is my biggest problem with the "bullying" craze from the press. Most people who are the "bullied" are the people who are acting out of the norm, and they are using a buzzword to try to justify their actions. There are some really bully out there who attack people for no reason, but 99% of people are multi-dimensional and cannot be encompassed by such a simplistic narrative.
 

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Now that the facts are out, we know:

1. Incognito was Martin's best friend on the team. They hung out religiously, even after the April phone call.

2. Incognito had Martin's back on the field when a fight broke out and in the locker room when people went after Martin.

3. Incognito did not treat Martin worse than anyone else. He was the team jokester, and most players respected him for it.

4. The "racist" bit on the phone call was actually the reverse of what was popularly portrayed. The n-word was used as a compliment to try to rile him up. I.e. he was asking Martin to be more nigXXX. We can debate the acceptability of that all we want, but that's not how it was portrayed.

5. Incognito had specifically been given the task to fire up Martin. It was widely believed that would involve some tough love.

6. His teammates and ex-teammates all support Incognito over Martin. This includes mostly black players, who Incognito is extremely popular with.

7. The "blackmailing" from the Vegas trip wasn't a blackmail at all. It was a prepaid vacation Martin agreed to and then cancelled.

8. The one paper outlet which has supported Incognito is the Miami Herald. Not coincidentally, those are the people who actually hang out with both parties.

9. Martin never asked offensive line teammates to calm down Incognito. He never spoke to the his coaches. As far as we know, he never even spoke to Incognito. His only contact that we know of was his agent talking to the GM.

10. Now that the facts and locker room support Incognito, they have decided to throw someone else under the bus (GM Jeff Ireland).

There were a lot of people on this site who rushed to judgment to condemn a man based on early reports and preconceived notions. You have now been shown to be wrong. It's time to admit that you made a mistake. It happens. However, you should not let the media manipulate you and assist in this destruction of a man's life just so one player could try to salvage is career after a mental breakdown.



:lol: I suppose the part of the conversation where he said he wanted to fuck him in the mouth was was to motiviate him too.
 

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:lol: I suppose the part of the conversation where he said he wanted to fuck him in the mouth was was to motiviate him too.

That's not what he said. It amazes me how stupid this country is becoming. Maybe it's just because television and/or media, control most peoples minds, not sure. What I do know, most people have said things they didn't mean. Apparently you know the intent and are worthy of casting aspersions.
 

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I still think Incognito went too far, I still feel the behavior was over the top, but I always fell short of lambasting him for this very reason.
 

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I still think Incognito went too far, I still feel the behavior was over the top, but I always fell short of lambasting him for this very reason.


Yes he went to far, but it seems like we went even further to turn him into the villain!!!
 

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That's not what he said. It amazes me how stupid this country is becoming. Maybe it's just because television and/or media, control most peoples minds, not sure. What I do know, most people have said things they didn't mean. Apparently you know the intent and are worthy of casting aspersions.


It is what was posted. Not sure what you read
 

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This is my biggest problem with the "bullying" craze from the press. Most people who are the "bullied" are the people who are acting out of the norm, and they are using a buzzword to try to justify their actions. There are some really bully out there who attack people for no reason, but 99% of people are multi-dimensional and cannot be encompassed by such a simplistic narrative.


Firstly I view bullying in the NFL much differently than I do bullying in just about any other walk of life. Professional football is by design a tough, physical, nasty, brutal game. These are highly paid grown men who's job it is to physically and oft times psychologically dominate other highly paid grown men. I can understand the prevalence there of what we might consider bullying if it occurred in just about any other setting. Where I strongly disagree with you is when you seem to justify bullying behavior in other settings. Are you suggesting that people who "are acting out of the norm" deserve to be bullied ? If so, who decides what the norm is ? Who decides which people are deserving of bullying ? The bullies ?

"but 99% of people are multi-dimensional and cannot be encompassed by such a simplistic narrative".

:wtf2: does that even mean ? Everyone is "multi-dimensional". But if one of those dimensions is that they get off on bullying others they need to stop and we shouldn't encourage it as a society because it's not helpful. You made a claim in another post yesterday stating that you'd been bullied in every job you've ever had and it was no big deal or something to that effect. I replied that this hasn't been my experience in 40+ years of employment in variety of jobs and wondered what sort of jobs you've held where this was the case. You never replied and I'm still wondering. In what industry or occupation is bullying in the workplace amongst co-workers a plus for the organization and how so ? I'm not discounting the possibility that there are isolated instances, but I would guess that they're very specialized cases and few and far between.
 

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It is what was posted. Not sure what you read

What I have read and seen is, he said he would defecate (shit) in his mouth. All of his teammates are defending him. Even after the so called racist voice mail. He was and is an "honorary" black guy to the black players on the team...after they heard the voice mail they are saying this. Doesn't any of this give you pause? Something is missing from this story and I think it has more to do with Martin, than Incognito.
 

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What I have read and seen is, he said he would defecate (shit) in his mouth. All of his teammates are defending him. Even after the so called racist voice mail. He was and is an "honorary" black guy to the black players on the team...after they heard the voice mail they are saying this. Doesn't any of this give you pause? Something is missing from this story and I think it has more to do with Martin, than Incognito.


Well even if that is what he said the fact you think this is acceptable is where the real idiocy begins. An honorary black guy are you kidding me? It's odd you question the rest of America when you are clearly the one misguided on this. I agree something is missing and I also think players defending him have either been coached on what responses are acceptable ala BB, or are themselves hiding something.
 

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Smart needs to steer clear of mental health evaluation. Stick to those pre-law classes. You speak and simplistic and gross generalizations about a very complex subject.

If Incognito is cleared of all these accusations than I will be the first to say he was railroaded. His behavior and history make me bet against that happening of though. He is a bad person, regardless.
 

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Incognito is a big loss on the field for the Phins. Of course his teammates want him back.
 

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No. Incognito has always been known as a dirty scummy player, I have no sympathy for him.
 

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this story took a 180 once more facts came out

as usual media outlets blew the story up without having all the facts and they look like jackasses
 

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Anybody think Martin is in love with Incognito? And doesn't know how to deal with that?



I think there is some sort of homosexuality cover-up, or just something more to this story.
 

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Well even if that is what he said the fact you think this is acceptable is where the real idiocy begins. An honorary black guy are you kidding me? It's odd you question the rest of America when you are clearly the one misguided on this. I agree something is missing and I also think players defending him have either been coached on what responses are acceptable ala BB, or are themselves hiding something.

Wow, you missed the mark, completely. I am not justifying what he said. His teammates are defending him. His black teammates love him and don't think he is a racist. I guess your ill informed ass knows more than them. GTFO of here, unless you can shed light on the inner workings of Richie Incognito. I'll wait on your scientific response.
 
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