tOfficial 2015 NBA Draft/Free Agency Thread

[WiggyRuss]

At the end of the season, yes. He is more than durable but most teams rest players at the end of the season for the playoffs anyway. If he can 70+ games he will be fine. Like I said rest him in certain situations. Pop was resting the Big 3 when Parker was in his mid 20's.

Seriously...I mean- Kyrie has never suffered an injury that would limit his performance going forward like an ACL or achilees or something like that- in that way-

he is in MUUUUCH better shape than guys like Rubio, Rondo, Rose, CP3, Wade, PGeorge, RW, K.Lowry, B. Jennings, T. Parker, D.Williams, J.Parker, J.Randle, J.Embiid, K. Durant, K. Bryant, -- who have all suffered much more serious injuries at points in their career than Kyrie EVER HAS. Injuries that actually carry long term consequences.

shit- early in their careers Curry and John Wall had injury issues.

its just one way the haters selectively turn their attention to the Cavs. When you are this damn good- there is a target on your back

 

[WiggyRuss]

I think Kanter has the worst career defensive real +/- rating since the 1970s.

He is not just a bad defender.
He is historically bad, and maybe the worst defender of all time in NBA history.

Utah started looking good after he left, and OKC got worse.

Unless, he gets you those 18-20 points, he is not worth it.
His defensive struggles are not worth 10-14 points a game.

I am not sure its going to happen, as all those shots he was getting will likely end up as Durant shots.
I would start Adams and make Kanter the most expensive 6th man in the league.

when anyone is talking "worst in NBA history"- its just a reflex but Mario Chalmers always pops into my mind. lol

 

[GNG]

I understand that you think Bosh and George are injury prone.
So, I'm glad YOU think I'm bitter because your thinking is ass backwards

My thinking is right on but you are entitled to your opinion no matter how flawed it may be.

 

[Hornsstampede2.0]

Clarifying.

he is the worst defender in NBA history of any player 6'9" or taller

There are some small players who don't have the natural size to defend as well.

So, Kanter ranks ahead of some smaller players, which is expected.

But, its still an embarassing ranking to be #1 on the list of worst defenders 6'9" or taller.

 

[trojanfan12]

GEEZ. get a little defensive, lol.

All I said is that you act like their is this grand history of FA's flocking to LAL- and while that might have been the case years ago- when there were just a few nationally televised games- and the country HAD to watch Lakers or Celtics games on Sunday broadcasts- the league has changed.

You dont have to be in LA or NY in order to have a huge profile and be a marketing force. 20-30 years ago- you kinda did. Now? LeBron is by far the most popular guy in Cleveland. at one point Dwight Howard was #2 in ORLANDO. #2 right now in popularity is what, probably Durant? in OKLAHOMA CITY.

OKC, Orlando and Cleveland- not exactly your media power house cities in the US. But thats the point- you dont need to be in a big city to have a big profile anymore in todays world of technology where you can watch every single game no matter where it is broadcasted.

NOW - the most important thing that players have been basing their decision on is ability to win. We have seen that. It is undeniable. Guys are not going to go to a big market just because its a big market anymore. It doesnt happen.

and really? like I said- I in no way question the Lakers success- but as far as high profile free agents- in what 40 years its like what Shaq and Kareem?--- and then in recent history Howard leaves, Aldridge has TWO meetings and leaves after the Lakers screwed up the first meeting.

The truth is- that elite players really dont change teams TOO TOO often via Free Agency in the NBA nowadays- especially with the new CBA- and if they do change teams its usually in the form of trades. In order to be able to execute trades on that scale you need assets- like how Boston got KG by giving up Al Jefferson and a bunch of picks, or how the Rockets got Harden by giving up a ton of picks and Kevin Martin, or how the Cavs got Love by giving up Wiggins and some other stuff, or how the Lakers got Howard in the first place by giving up Bynum and what not, or Deron Williams to the Nets, or CP3 to the Clippers.

More often then not- when you try and build your team through free agency in todays NBA- you end up like the Knicks- overpaying for a guy like Amare who is only available in free agency because the Suns had no interest in giving him a long term deal with his health- and the fact that his athleticism was not lasting close to the length of a max deal. - and the Knicks topped out the Melo/Chandler/Amare era by getting passed the first round ONCE. Or like the Mavericks- always a bridesmaid- never a bride- they tore down their team after their championship and every year have tried for that big free agent signing and despite having an owner who has provided his team with every luxury, no state income tax, and being in Dallas- no one has gone there who is a significant impact player.

Relying on free agency to turn your team around is a very very risky proposition in the modern NBA and you can point to very few situations where it has worked as planned.

Never said or implied that there was a grand history of FA's going to the Lakers. I said that L.A., Miami and New York are destination cities and places like Cleveland are not. You tried to act like no FA's ever choose the Lakers. I simply pointed out that they do and have. I also pointed that no FA, outside of Lebron returning, has ever chosen the Cavs. Even when Lebron is there, they haven't chosen the Cavs. Despite the Cavs always having lots of cap space. If anyone is defensive, it's you.

How about you stop with the 25,000 word essays full of nothing and respond to posts that actually respond to what has been discussed.

 

[trojanfan12]

I understand that you think Bosh and George are injury prone.
So, I'm glad YOU think I'm bitter because your thinking is ass backwards

Something tells me that GnG has never participated in a sport that's played anywhere other than an X-Box. Pretty hilarious that he thinks a guy missing half a season is injury prone.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Never said or implied that there was a grand history of FA's going to the Lakers. I said that L.A., Miami and New York are destination cities and places like Cleveland are not. You tried to act like no FA's ever choose the Lakers. I simply pointed out that they do and have. I also pointed that no FA, outside of Lebron returning, has ever chosen the Cavs. Even when Lebron is there, they haven't chosen the Cavs.

How about you stop with the 25,000 word essays full of nothing and respond to posts that actually respond to what has been discussed.

Actually Shawn Kemp did...lol...and went on to have some all star seasons...so that is something-

But- I didnt say the Lakers never get free agents- read the freaking post- i said the major free agents that have come to the Lakers in the passed FORTY some odd years are Shaq and Kareem. If I am missing someone please let me know- and the conditions that led to Shaq and Kareem going to the Lakers have been SEVERELY mitigated by the new CBA, and the ability for a guy to be a star REGARDLESS of the market that he is in- evidenced by the TWO MOST POPULAR players in the world playing in Cleveland and Oklahoma City-

Well- that and- guys just RARELY move via free agency- and when they do- often times its a failure- more often then not in the modern NBA guys move via trades- As I gave you over a half dozen recent examples of.

 

[Heatles84]

You'd be the first one buying tickets.

Ever since I've been posting on forums (started around 2008), CL67 has consistently hated Lebron. If there's one person I believe wouldn't cheer for Lebron, even if he was on their team, is CL67.

 

[WiggyRuss]

I mean- its just the truth- back in the day 20-30 years ago- if you wanted to have big time exposure in the NBA you had to get to a big market team.

That is just not the case anymore. You can be hugely popular and make gazillions of dollars in endorsements by playing in OKLAHOMA CITY

combine that with the new CBA limitations, Bird Rights, and everything else that gives the hometeam and advantage to signing free agents- and it becomes even LESS likely of stars moving to teams.

And its even LESS LIKELY that stars move to teams that are not in position to win. No matter if the team was in Oklahoma City, Los Angeles, Anchorage Alaska or New York- if you cant put a winner around a guy- your not getting him.

 

[GNG]

Ever since I've been posting on forums (started around 2008), CL67 has consistently hated Lebron. If there's one person I believe wouldn't cheer for Lebron, even if he was on their team, is CL67.

Did Lebron steal his girlfriend?

 

[WiggyRuss]

Did Lebron steal his girlfriend?

hes just mad LeBron is going to pass Kobe on the subjective "All Time Great" list before all is said and done

 

[Heatles84]

Seriously...I mean- Kyrie has never suffered an injury that would limit his performance going forward like an ACL or achilees or something like that- in that way-

he is in MUUUUCH better shape than guys like Rubio, Rondo, Rose, CP3, Wade, PGeorge, RW, K.Lowry, B. Jennings, T. Parker, D.Williams, J.Parker, J.Randle, J.Embiid, K. Durant, K. Bryant, -- who have all suffered much more serious injuries at points in their career than Kyrie EVER HAS. Injuries that actually carry long term consequences.

shit- early in their careers Curry and John Wall had injury issues.

its just one way the haters selectively turn their attention to the Cavs. When you are this damn good- there is a target on your back

But.....Kyrie's never finished a season healthy, and that's going back to high school. As far as I know, as good as you claim the Cavs to be, they still have zero titles.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

Something tells me that GnG has never participated in a sport that's played anywhere other than an X-Box. Pretty hilarious that he thinks a guy missing half a season is injury prone.

Not having any common sense has nothing to do with playing or not playing sports.
According to GnG's thinking, if a player were in a car accident and broke his arm, he would be an injury prone athlete.
That's about as stupid as saying that the innocent victims who went to the movies last night were out on the town looking for trouble.

 

[Heatles84]

hes just mad LeBron is going to pass Kobe on the subjective "All Time Great" list before all is said and done

He'll have trouble catching up to Kobe in ring counts, let alone Jordan. Shit, I'm wondering if he'll even catch Wade if he stays in Cleveland.

 

[trojanfan12]

Actually Shawn Kemp did...lol...and went on to have some all star seasons...so that is something-

But- I didnt say the Lakers never get free agents- read the freaking post- i said the major free agents that have come to the Lakers in the passed FORTY some odd years are Shaq and Kareem. If I am missing someone please let me know- and the conditions that led to Shaq and Kareem going to the Lakers have been SEVERELY mitigated by the new CBA, and the ability for a guy to be a star REGARDLESS of the market that he is in- evidenced by the TWO MOST POPULAR players in the world playing in Cleveland and Oklahoma City-

Well- that and- guys just RARELY move via free agency- and when they do- often times its a failure- more often then not in the modern NBA guys move via trades- As I gave you over a half dozen recent examples of.

Shawn Kemp was a 6 time all-star. 5 times in Seattle, 1 time in Cleveland (1998). The two most popular players in the world were drafted by those teams.

I said in a previous post that things are a little different and that players have learned they do not HAVE to be in L.A. or NY because the sponsors will come to them. I even jokingly blamed Larry Bird and Converse for it. That's why I said that "all things being equal" players will choose places like L.A. or N.Y. but right now, those 2 teams are at least 2 seasons away from being contenders which is why FA's haven't chosen them.

Really not sure what it is you think your arguing. All you're doing is repeating what I already said and trying to act like it's some original thought that you had.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

when anyone is talking "worst in NBA history"- its just a reflex but Mario Chalmers always pops into my mind. lol

Fact.
Chalmers > Delly

 

[Shanemansj13]

Ever since I've been posting on forums (started around 2008), CL67 has consistently hated Lebron. If there's one person I believe wouldn't cheer for Lebron, even if he was on their team, is CL67.

He secretly loves Lebron

 

[Heatles84]

I can't believe this is even a discussion. If you had to take a job opportunity and you were in your 20's, most people in this country would pick LA, NY, or Miami. I seriously can't believe this is even being debated.

 

[trojanfan12]

Ever since I've been posting on forums (started around 2008), CL67 has consistently hated Lebron. If there's one person I believe wouldn't cheer for Lebron, even if he was on their team, is CL67.

This true. While pretty much every other Lakers fan has said they don't like him, but would accept him on the team because he would make them instant contenders, CL is the only one that has consistently stated that he still wouldn't want him.

I think he'd try to figure out a way to erase Lebron from his t.v. when watching so he could still watch the Lakers without actually seeing Lebron.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Fact.
Chalmers > Delly

At defense? Chalmers needs arms to be better lol