tOfficial 2015 NBA Draft/Free Agency Thread

[WiggyRuss]

Nah, Kyrie and Love are still young. Love is fine. Kyrie was drafted by Cleveland, he isnt leaving and has great potential. If the Cavs get enough depth, it will be just fine and that is where the rest comes into play.

the Cavs already have under contract going forward some very good supporting players that are locked in.

when EVERY TEAM in the league has a ton of cap room next offseason and are fighting over a small group of players- the Cavs will be able to sit back and watch bidding wars - while their own contracts keep looking better and better.....Kyrie at 17M and Love at 22M are going to look like freaking STEALS- let alone Shumpert at 10, Mo at 2, Delly at 3 or whatever he gets, Mozgov at 5 , Varejao at 10

 

[LAD]

because they were trying to get rid of Lee because of his salary like I told you already- they would have given Lee away for NOTHING if the proposition presented itself

Here you go again...trying to take credit like you thought of this all on your own. And I will only say this one more time...I said they wouldn't trade him AT A DISCOUNT. I didn't say they wouldn't trade him at all.

 

[LAD]

the Cavs already have under contract going forward some very good supporting players that are locked in.

when EVERY TEAM in the league has a ton of cap room next offseason and are fighting over a small group of players- the Cavs will be able to sit back and watch bidding wars - while their own contracts keep looking better and better.....Kyrie at 17M and Love at 22M are going to look like freaking STEALS- let alone Shumpert at 10, Mo at 2, Delly at 3 or whatever he gets, Mozgov at 5 , Varejao at 10

Yea the only problem is they'll have those same players....Goodness....

 

[WiggyRuss]

Here you go again...trying to take credit like you thought of this all on your own. And I will only say this one more time...I said they wouldn't trade him AT A DISCOUNT. I didn't say they wouldn't trade him at all.

they traded him for a player they subsequently released, lol.

wow you really just have no clue how the cap works and what the implications of the cap are for trades...its fine- not a lot of people follow that stuff- but you look stupid when you say that they value Lee when the truth is they would have gotten rid of him for nothing- and got rid of him for LESS than nothing in that they just released the player they got for him and have to eat his (wallaces) contract.

your ignorant of how the cap works and how it effects trades- thats fine- just dont hold yourself out like you know whats going on because you end up looking foolish

 

[LAD]

That would actually have been the best deal.

Why would that've been the best deal? You want them to give up Lee who actually fits in really well with the team and get nothing in return? No options at all?

 

[WiggyRuss]

Yea the only problem is they'll have those same players....Goodness....

GOOD! that team was the best in basketball after they made their moves- and pushed the Warriors to 6 games despite missing 3 huge pieces! Im ecstatic they are bringing back the same team plus a couple minor additions as that team has young players that are still improving- and played absolutely amazing basketball together!

30-3 after the trades when LeBron/Love/Kyrie played together.

Good luck to the rest of the league

 

[WiggyRuss]

Why would that've been the best deal? You want them to give up Lee who actually fits in really well with the team and get nothing in return? No options at all?

see this is when you just dont understand whats going on and need to bow out before you continue to make yourself look dumb.

anyone that knows anything and pays attention even a little bit to the league knew the Warriors were trying to unload Lee in any way they possibly could.

 

[CitySushi]

Why would that've been the best deal? You want them to give up Lee who actually fits in really well with the team and get nothing in return? No options at all?

Lee was knocked out of the rotation last year. The Warriors have thrived in their small ball lineup, incorporating Harrison Barnes at the 4. So essentially David Lee was relegated to emergency duty. Lee asked to be traded after they won the championship.

If the Warriors were able to trade him and get nothing back, there's 15M of his salary that's off the books and huge savings to the luxury tax. More importantly, it free's up a roster spot at no cost (Warriors currently maxed out). They would be able to seek out another wing player to add some depth there.

Instead, the Warriors will likely not even use Wallace, who will earn 10M this year and cut him.

 

[WiggyRuss]

That would actually have been the best deal.

basically giving Draymond Green his max deal necessitated Lee moving on because of the rest of the Warriors payroll.

The Warriors have Curry for the best contract in the league too...I think he has what? 2 years left at like 22 million?

Bogut, Iggy, Green, Klay all get paid a ton. They needed to move Lee to give themselves some breathing room. Nice deal.

months ago I thought GSW would have been a possible landing spot for Haywood in a deal- us taking Lee- and an asset attached to him- but it did not work out that way for a number of reasons- in cluding the warriors being able to get rid of him (but having to take Wallace's deal), and the Cavs are just too far into the tax....

Honestly- I think right now the Cavs are in the tax bracket - where any additional salary costs them a ton

for example- Mo Williams

lets round off and say he makes 2 million

thats taxe at about 4-1

so- they will pay 8 mill in tax, and 2 in salary

so signing Mo williams to a 2M contract will cost the Cavs 10M this year. Pretty crazy.

 

[CitySushi]

basically giving Draymond Green his max deal necessitated Lee moving on because of the rest of the Warriors payroll.

The Warriors have Curry for the best contract in the league too...I think he has what? 2 years left at like 22 million?

Bogut, Iggy, Green, Klay all get paid a ton. They needed to move Lee to give themselves some breathing room. Nice deal.

Spot on. Not to mention Barnes and Ezeli are up for extensions. Cap going up helps, but eventually W's will have to max Curry.

 

[LAD]

they traded him for a player they subsequently released, lol.

wow you really just have no clue how the cap works and what the implications of the cap are for trades...its fine- not a lot of people follow that stuff- but you look stupid when you say that they value Lee when the truth is they would have gotten rid of him for nothing- and got rid of him for LESS than nothing in that they just released the player they got for him and have to eat his (wallaces) contract.

your ignorant of how the cap works and how it effects trades- thats fine- just dont hold yourself out like you know whats going on because you end up looking foolish

Like I said...always trying to make it seem like you're smarter than everyone in the room.

News flash...they traded for Wallace because they can

they traded him for a player they subsequently released, lol.

wow you really just have no clue how the cap works and what the implications of the cap are for trades...its fine- not a lot of people follow that stuff- but you look stupid when you say that they value Lee when the truth is they would have gotten rid of him for nothing- and got rid of him for LESS than nothing in that they just released the player they got for him and have to eat his (wallaces) contract.

your ignorant of how the cap works and how it effects trades- thats fine- just dont hold yourself out like you know whats going on because you end up looking foolish

So if you're so smart then why can't you understand that whether or not Wallace plays or is released that is still $5 mil the team is saving in salary which makes the point you're trying to make about them trading for a player they're going to release moot. You're so busy trying to "act" smart you always sound dumb. This is also the reason you're made fun of on these boards.

**queue in the insults now...probably about my kids again.

 

[LAD]

Lee was knocked out of the rotation last year. The Warriors have thrived in their small ball lineup, incorporating Harrison Barnes at the 4. So essentially David Lee was relegated to emergency duty. Lee asked to be traded after they won the championship.

If the Warriors were able to trade him and get nothing back, there's 15M of his salary that's off the books and huge savings to the luxury tax. More importantly, it free's up a roster spot at no cost (Warriors currently maxed out). They would be able to seek out another wing player to add some depth there.

Instead, the Warriors will likely not even use Wallace, who will earn 10M this year and cut him.

I hadn't heard he wanted to be traded. But knowing that it makes sense.

I think they will make another move though. Saving that $5 mil will go a long way in terms of what they can offer another player because prior to this move they could only offer the MLE.

 

[WiggyRuss]

I hadn't heard he wanted to be traded. But knowing that it makes sense.

I think they will make another move though. Saving that $5 mil will go a long way in terms of what they can offer another player because prior to this move they could only offer the MLE.

wrong yet again

I mean, please just think before you write for once

if they have max deals for Draymond, and Klay- and are paying Iggy, Bogut and Curry all over 10M a piece, do you think they have any cap room? I mean- just a wild guess? LOL

honestly- you really have no clue- and thats fine- some people want nothing to do with the contracts and business side- but you just make yourself look dumb when you say stuff like this. They absolutely did not get 5M in cap room from trading Lee since they were already WELL over the cap to the point that 5M does not mean anything but tax savings.

keep trying though. A broken clock is right twice a day.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Yea the only problem is they'll have those same players....Goodness....

The players that went 30-3 down the stretch, yes Kyrie has some injury problems but he started 75 games...geez. If he has more depth behind him, maybe he doesnt even get injured late in the season. DEPTH, is the only issue

 

[WiggyRuss]

The players that went 30-3 down the stretch, yes Kyrie has some injury problems but he started 75 games...geez. If he has more depth behind him, maybe he doesnt even get injured late in the season. DEPTH, is the only issue

KYrie started 75 games...and played top 10 minutes per game in the entire league. Curry has a WAAAAAAAY worse injury history than anything Kyrie ever had. As long as Kyrie never suffers a chronic progressive injury- its nothing to worry about.

 

[CitySushi]

The players that went 30-3 down the stretch, yes Kyrie has some injury problems but he started 75 games...geez. If he has more depth behind him, maybe he doesnt even get injured late in the season. DEPTH, is the only issue

Part of that run came with a really reduced rotation. Obviously Love had his freak injury, but I feel like Kyrie was a bit worn down which lead to some of his injuries.

The Cavs have a team that can dominate, but does Blatt understand that for the regular season?

 

[LAD]

wrong yet again

I mean, please just think before you write for once

if they have max deals for Draymond, and Klay- and are paying Iggy, Bogut and Curry all over 10M a piece, do you think they have any cap room? I mean- just a wild guess? LOL

honestly- you really have no clue- and thats fine- some people want nothing to do with the contracts and business side- but you just make yourself look dumb when you say stuff like this. They absolutely did not get 5M in cap room from trading Lee since they were already WELL over the cap to the point that 5M does not mean anything but tax savings.

keep trying though. A broken clock is right twice a day.

Well I didn't say they got cap room...i said they SAVED $5 mil. And ok I assumed it could be applied when seeking out another player and was wrong. What do you want a cookie? Because really you're acting like a 10 year old that finally got picked on the kickball team.

 

[Shanemansj13]

the Cavs already have under contract going forward some very good supporting players that are locked in.

when EVERY TEAM in the league has a ton of cap room next offseason and are fighting over a small group of players- the Cavs will be able to sit back and watch bidding wars - while their own contracts keep looking better and better.....Kyrie at 17M and Love at 22M are going to look like freaking STEALS- let alone Shumpert at 10, Mo at 2, Delly at 3 or whatever he gets, Mozgov at 5 , Varejao at 10

I'll take Kyrie and Love at $30-40 a piece less than what they would make in a couple...all day. Lebron will get a huge contract, but it is better than paying 3 full max guys the money. They couldnt do that or most likely any team even with the cap going up. Role players come and go, actually some of these role players will be there a couple years. So I dont get why people think this core is not worth it lol.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Part of that run came with a really reduced rotation. Obviously Love had his freak injury, but I feel like Kyrie was a bit worn down which lead to some of his injuries.

The Cavs have a team that can dominate, but does Blatt understand that for the regular season?

That is the key. Pop has done a fantastic job, hopefully Blatt can do the same. Realize on certain stretches it is ok to rest him and specifically at the end of the year. I think the roster is looking at depth for these exact issues, just Blatt figuring it out might be the biggest problem.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Part of that run came with a really reduced rotation. Obviously Love had his freak injury, but I feel like Kyrie was a bit worn down which lead to some of his injuries.

The Cavs have a team that can dominate, but does Blatt understand that for the regular season?

I worry about Blatt

I mean this guy was playing Joe Harris heavy minutes early in the year- and was STARTING Shawn Marion for a while.....

he definitely had some learning and growing to do last year. I was encouraged by him in the playoffs though in how he was able to remake the team on the fly from an offensive juggernaut to a very good defensive team- all though I think that in those later Finals games he could have used his bench more- but its tough when you are missing 3 players like Love, Irving and Varejao and you instead of going 8 deep you have to go 11, 12 deep.