This is for Shark

[gkekoa]

These are facts:


1) We used 4 picks on RG3. Those 4 picks could have been 4 other starters...according to your own analysis DAD, 2 of those should be fighting for the HOF and perennial pro-bowlers. 1 should be an instant starter and the other should be a starter in year 2, maybe late year 1.


2) RG3 did not lead us to the playoffs last season...he led us to a 3 win season. Yes, he was coming back from injury but 3 wins?


3) Calling him 3sus and RGme are funny and if you can't see why Shark is calling him those names, then your eyes are closed.


4) You defended JC but he was never an average starter. If he was an average starter, he would have been able to get a consistent starting gig elsewhere.


5) Shark made a mistake if we was willing to give up extra picks for Bradford or Sanchez. Neither had the arm to be a "prototypical QB" and Bradford came from a gimmick offense in a league without defenses. Bradford was also an injury waiting to happen. I would have gladly given up more for RG3 than either of the other two (maybe not what we gave up though). RG3 played in a gimmick offense but has the tools and athleticism to be special.

 

[Sharkinva]

For the record. I would not have given up what we gave up for RG3 for ANY QB not named Unitas, and even then I would have been mad as hell. I would have traded up for Bradford or Sanchez based on what I expected them to be at the time. Which yes.. I was WRONG. But for what it cost for us to get RG3... If boy does not become the unquestioned truth, I will have put on my headstone Dumbest fucking trade ever 2012 Washington Redskins for RG3.

 

[skinsdad62]

Skinsdad...


FAct is we USED the pick to get him. So in total he COST the Redskins 4 picks. No way around that.

Im over the Campbell thing, just pointing out that you defended him and his character and flaws just as vehemently.

I have never questioned rumor and speculation in regard to his character. Only what he ACTUALLY did and said. Which to me raised red flags about his character. Even a retard would know that when asked what went wrong, you dont answer "well it seemed like they knew exactly what we were doing". thats directly throwing your entire coaching staff under the bus. When asked, what happened on an INT, you dont say well my WRs couldnt get open. Again deflecting blame. For some one so smart, the simple answer is, Let me look at the tape, see what went wrong, and get back to you.

I could care less how much Money he makes on the side, and if he and Becky came out with an RG3 **** tape... I would be fine with him doing him. What I do care about is words and deeds that negatively affect the team. And like as not, he did have both last year. Being a generally decent person does not perclude one from having a personal agenda. And I find it hard to believe that some one known as being so smart had no idea of the impact of his words and actions last year.

I to believe he should get his full rookie contract to prove his worth in regards to the trade. But I dont hold him above reproach and take offense that my fanhood and intelligence have been called into question simply because I dont hold him above reproach.

tell me shark how isnt that remark "they knew what we were doing " not simply a compliment to the eagle defense ? you cant see that as just an innocent statement ? it has to be throwing his staff under a bus ?

in fact the next day he stated exactly what that meant and it had nothing to do with throwing anyone under a bus

the wr 's couldnt get open comment was cleaared up the next day with moss and garcon

since when does "we" not include "me " in a conversation of what went wrong that isnt a inclusive word we?

now his explanation of what he meant doesnt count ? it has to be contrived ?

look he could have meant all the negative things you took it as . it is just as much true that he was misunderstood

23year old dont always have all the answer even when they are supposed to be media savvy . you take a microphone shove it into a guys face after a tough loss and you think some anger isnt still there ? there is still emotion and not everything comes out right or you simply dont monitor what you say

it all goes back to this i look at things with a positive spin . that doesnt make me naive , dumb , stupid , a homer or anything else

anymore then thinking negatively makes you smarter ,more savvy and in touch .

sometime in the future Rg3 may come out with some BS that proves your instincts right but it is just as possible he will come out with something that proves you wrong

 

[Sharkinva]

Skinsdad... I have long believed that in a time of stress or emotion as you suggest, people tend to say exactly what they mean. Then clear things up latter if need be. And if you are looking for what went wrong, people rarely take the time complement the other guy. then again I DONT believe in the inherent goodness of man.

 

[skinsdad62]

Skinsdad... I have long believed that in a time of stress or emotion as you suggest, people tend to say exactly what they mean. Then clear things up latter if need be. And if you are looking for what went wrong, people rarely take the time complement the other guy. then again I DONT believe in the inherent goodness of man.

well there you have it , everyone is sinister and no one is who he or she says they are .

well no wonder you think the way you do

 

[gkekoa]

well there you have it , everyone is sinister and no one is who he or she says they are .

well no wonder you think the way you do

There is no inherent goodness of man. I agree with Shark. Man is inherently evil.

 

[skinsdad62]

There is no inherent goodness of man. I agree with Shark. Man is inherently evil.

i believe most people try to live decent lives . they do sin , they do evil things , but i believe most people try do the right thing most of the time

 

[gkekoa]

i believe most people try to live decent lives . they do sin , they do evil things , but i believe most people try do the right thing most of the time

I believe people will try to do the right thing if people are watching. I also believe that if they think they can get away with something that is immoral but would make their life better they will.

I also believe that punishment does deter action.

 

[skinsdad62]

I believe people will try to do the right thing if people are watching. I also believe that if they think they can get away with something that is immoral but would make their life better they will.

I also believe that punishment does deter action.

well we will have to agree to disagree then because i believe most people will try to do the right thing no matter who is watching because some above always is

 

[Sharkinva]

well we will have to agree to disagree then because i believe most people will try to do the right thing no matter who is watching because some above always is

Bull.. most people will do the right thing... unless doing the wrong thing benefits them and they figure they wont get caught.

 

[skinsdad62]

Bull.. most people will do the right thing... unless doing the wrong thing benefits them and they figure they wont get caught.

see above statement . we will have to agree to disagree

 

[Sharkinva]

see above statement . we will have to agree to disagree

Society at large proves my point Skinsdad. When you have priests screwing Alter boys, politicians cheating on their wives in droves, and more crooked cops than you can shake a stick at... how can you honestly believe in the inherent goodness of man. Man is good WHEN he fears punishment. Aside from that.. all bets are off.

 

[skinsdad62]

Society at large proves my point Skinsdad. When you have priests screwing Alter boys, politicians cheating on their wives in droves, and more crooked cops than you can shake a stick at... how can you honestly believe in the inherent goodness of man. Man is good WHEN he fears punishment. Aside from that.. all bets are off.

how many priests dont do that ? how many pastors ? how many cops ? how many politicians do we have in 7 billion people on the planet ?

again let it go see my above statement . we will have to agree to disagree on this

there is no further point in discussing it

i wont change you and you wont change me

just let it go

 

[gkekoa]

When man answers to no higher power, then they will do what benefits themselves. END OF STORY.

 

[Sharkinva]

When man answers to no higher power, then they will do what benefits themselves. END OF STORY.

And when a man feels that that Higher power is on his side, he feels that anything he does is justified.

 

[gkekoa]

And when a man feels that that Higher power is on his side, he feels that anything he does is justified.

Not at all. When you answer to a higher power, you are hesitant to act against the higher power. If you are referring to the priests, they have a weakness...they gave in...they will answer for it.

 

[Sharkinva]

Not at all. When you answer to a higher power, you are hesitant to act against the higher power. If you are referring to the priests, they have a weakness...they gave in...they will answer for it.

Hitler, Bin Laden and most of your really screwed up individuals were highly religious and thought they were doing gods work. Im just saying.

 

[skinsdad62]

Hitler, Bin Laden and most of your really screwed up individuals were highly religious and thought they were doing gods work. Im just saying.

hitler wasnt highly religious . he murdered 52 mil people and stamped out virtually all religion in germany as socialist do look at the MHC channel and look at hitlers vision or read up on it .

bin laden has killed thousands himself . those arent acts of "religious people " saying you are doing this because of religion doesnt mean the werent lyin



and just because they "said " they were doesnt make it true

and i cant see how you hold the sins a a few to all christian , muslims jews Buddhists wiccans celts etc.

 

[gkekoa]

Hitler, Bin Laden and most of your really screwed up individuals were highly religious and thought they were doing gods work. Im just saying.

Hitler claimed to be religious but went against his doctrine.

Bin Laden claimed to be religious and depending on what you believe about the Muslim religion was either acting against it or the Muslim religion is F'ed up.

People like this are essentially cult leaders...not religious leaders.

Most of the really screwed up people, worked in government, and abused that power to gain more power. It had nothing to do with God.

 

[Sharkinva]

hitler wasnt highly religious . he murdered 52 mil people and stamped out virtually all religion in germany as socialist do look at the MHC channel and look at hitlers vision or read up on it .

bin laden has killed thousands himself . those arent acts of "religious people " saying you are doing this because of religion doesnt mean the werent lyin



and just because they "said " they were doesnt make it true

and i cant see how you hold the sins a a few to all christian , muslims jews Buddhists wiccans celts etc.

I dont hold all religious people accountable for a few screwed up people. thats about as silly as saying every black man is a thief, or every white man is a member of the KKK. I merely point out that supposed belief in a higher power does NOT automatically make one a good person either. By and large people religious or not are only as good as what they feel benefits them for the most part. Most people would not support a cause or a course of action that they felt would harm them personally no matter how good that cause was for the body at large.