this goes against the grain

[skinsdad62]

Openly or covertly calling out the guy who writes the checks is the quickest way to ensure you dont get another check. Any one with half a brain would know if they are asked does the owner play favorites, the correct answer is no even if its not true. And I believe RG3 is smart enough to know that Snyder bet the farm on him, so if he isnt happy with the coaches, odds are he wins any fight on that level. He knows what he said, and how it would or could have been taken. So Im not buying the innocent 23 year old bit because there have been too many slips of the tongue.

ok so all the players are liars and there is a huge CSI plot
got it

 

[Sharkinva]

ok so all the players are liars and there is a huge CSI plot
got it

All the players arent stupid and know that you dont bite the hand that feeds you. If that makes them liars in this instance, then yep. We get it, you want to believe. You want to believe in RG3, that Snyder might have gotten a clue and apparently in the inherent goodness of man in general. But reality is RG3 has done his fair share to make this mess. So has Snyder and Shanahan. I agree you cant just toss him out. But Im a bit more willing to believe that everyone has ulterior motives than I am to buy the whole well give the kid a break line. People rave about how smart he is, so I dont buy that he is too stupid to realize the potential outcome of his actions.

 

[skinsdad62]

All the players arent stupid and know that you dont bite the hand that feeds you. If that makes them liars in this instance, then yep. We get it, you want to believe. You want to believe in RG3, that Snyder might have gotten a clue and apparently in the inherent goodness of man in general. But reality is RG3 has done his fair share to make this mess. So has Snyder and Shanahan. I agree you cant just toss him out. But Im a bit more willing to believe that everyone has ulterior motives than I am to buy the whole well give the kid a break line. People rave about how smart he is, so I dont buy that he is too stupid to realize the potential outcome of his actions.

your viewpoint has him as never going to be a franchise qb and that the trade is a mistake and hence you buy what the press says when it supports your view

my view is i am distrustful of the press . they have an agenda in all areas of life and i buy into that when it supports mine

 

[Sharkinva]

your viewpoint has him as never going to be a franchise qb and that the trade is a mistake and hence you buy what the press says when it supports your view

my view is i am distrustful of the press . they have an agenda in all areas of life and i buy into that when it supports mine

And your view has him as a franchise QB right this second. So you defend him as if he were your only child.

And for the record i didnt say he will never be a franchise QB. But in my opinion he isnt one now. And yes I firmly believe the trade was a mistake simply for the fact that we would be no worse off with a lesser athletic QB and would likely be in a better position had we used the 3 draft picks so far on three players instead of one.

Lastly Im not buying into what the press says so much as what i have seen from HIS actions and words. Every one has an agenda, including RG3.

 

[skinsdad62]

And your view has him as a franchise QB right this second. So you defend him as if he were your only child.

And for the record i didnt say he will never be a franchise QB. But in my opinion he isnt one now. And yes I firmly believe the trade was a mistake simply for the fact that we would be no worse off with a lesser athletic QB and would likely be in a better position had we used the 3 draft picks so far on three players instead of one.

Lastly Im not buying into what the press says so much as what i have seen from HIS actions and words. Every one has an agenda, including RG3.

i think earlier in the year when i was defending the o/lines play i clearly stated Rg3 had a piece in what was happening

i ask for fairness , i saw none of this talk before and now when he struggles , well the tune is different

you call him RGME , you start thread on how we can make him "comfy" and ask who he will throw under the bus and from that i am to conclude you think he will be a franchise qb ?

yes i do defend him because the aura of this board is that he is given up on despite the fact no one would have done better given the circumstances

you forget shark that i am the guy who posted most of the negative blogs on him . i didnt have too but i did .

the fact you would be hard pressed to find a guy who put up better numbers then Rg3 has in 2 years

and how do you know we would have made the right call on any of those extra picks we didnt get ? i mean we failed with RG3 right ?

how do you know our coaching staff wouldnt have bungled tannehill's development ?

the rams havent appeared to have done much with the picks

 

[j_y19]

Wow. Where to start. First, my opinions, and all the examples I gave, were not press generated. They have been formed from specific actions or statements from RG3. So the press, which I also mistrust, did not influence my opinion of RG3, Snyder, or shanahan. Second, while I think RG3 has displayed diva characteristics this year, partly due to empowerment from Snyder, I do agree that he is still a 23 year old kid and has a lot to learn. However, he should know by now that you don't question your coach (or at least silently support others that do) in public, and you don't blame your teammates when things don't go right. Especially since you were directly involved in influencing some of the poor decisions your Coach made or your play was no better than your teammates.

RG3 has been insubordinate, either implicitly or directly, to this coaching staff. IF you are a leader, you support your team, all facets of your team, when anyone dings them. Even a family member. You can support both your dad and your coach tactfully. He purposely chose not to. You also don't put your coach in a box in the press like he did at the beginning of the season with him starting game 1. Shanahan should have nipped that in the bud right there, but these posts aren't about shanahan. I've expressed my views of him in other posts. He is not without fault.

In any event, my concern is no longer about the relationship between RG3 and shanahan. Mike is gone. My concern is that if this dynamic doesn't change, it will repeat itself. Ask our resident Behaviorist. WE bring another coach in and RG3 struggles, that coach better watch his back. But this can change. It starts with Snyder. He should make it clear that there will be no insubordination at any level. No one player is above any HC. No HC is above the Owner. Snyder makes that statement, that puts RG3 on notice. You will play the scheme and run the plays the coach calls. That is your job. I have not written off RG3. To the contrary, I do believe he will be our franchise QB. But he needs to get his head on right and start begin more team focused and less RG3 focused.

 

[Sharkinva]

you call him RGME , you start thread on how we can make him "comfy" and ask who he will throw under the bus and from that i am to conclude you think he will be a franchise qb ?

I called him RGMe because he was coming off as a spoiled insecure little weenie. And yes it does look as if this next off season is going to be all about RG3 and making him feel comfy and secure.

yes i do defend him because the aura of this board is that he is given up on despite the fact no one would have done better given the circumstances

I guess we will never know if some one would have been able to do better or not at this point. No one was even going to be given the chance. But I maintain that we could have started my fat cousin bobby and gotten a 3-11 record.

the fact you would be hard pressed to find a guy who put up better numbers then Rg3 has in 2 years

So its all about numbers now?? I thought it was about wins and being a complete QB.

and how do you know we would have made the right call on any of those extra picks we didnt get ? i mean we failed with RG3 right ?

how do you know our coaching staff wouldnt have bungled tannehill's development ?

the rams havent appeared to have done much with the picks

Its all about odds. You have a better shot at finding talent when you spend four draft picks on four players than when you spend four draft picks on one player. The rams also arent likely to fire their entire coaching staff and start over from scratch two years after the trade.

 

[skinsdad62]

look we will just have to let this debate go on unresolved

what you guys see and what i see are 2 different things and i am sure we arent going to change any minds here especially mine

i will let this play out some more and then we will see

 

[gkekoa]

A first rounder, you trade Kirk. A second...you don't.


Two firsts, you consider trading RG3 with a conditional first in the mix.